Origins of the surname Kinch

[Pastmagic]

Pity the footnote is sadly lacking!
 
There was a German settlement - http://www.irishpalatines.org/index.html
but I have never heard of a Von Kinch associated with it.

General plantation info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland

Plenty of ways for your Kinchs to arrive here if they were of the Scots variety or if they were English Kinches!


I am wondering how the author got the information that your Kinch ancestor came from Inch on Gorey - if we can establish that, its pretty simple down to the present, if the ones there today are related to your Lawerence. They have been on the same place in Inch since 1854 anyway - I checked. I will root around for early Irish Kinch families to see what turns up. There was one called Henry who was murdered by the rebels in 1798 in Gorey, and one in Dublin who was put on trial for helping a murderer - not connected incidents.

PM

[Hall of Names]

Hi

According to our research they emerged in County Down - They were directly descended from Saran, King of Dalriada, through Eochaidh Combh, Lord of Iveagh and scions of the McGuinness Clann in County Down.  A branch of this family called themselves Kinch or McInesh and acquired territories on the Isle of Man becoming a truly Manx family. However in the 17th and 18th century some of the family migrated back to Ireland and settle in Wicklow and Wexford.

Hope this helps!

All the best

Wendy
Hall of Names
www.hallofnames.org.uk

[Rena]

There's quite a lot of German surnames in the UK from a few centuries ago when the lands of Hanover (part of Germany) were given to King James of Scotland as a dowry on the marriage of his grand daughter Sophie to a German Duke.  This land became The Kingdom of Hanover and was ruled over by the British monarchy until Queen Victoria came to the throne - this was because Hannoverian law stipulated a man had to rule.

[KGarrad]

A branch of this family called themselves Kinch or McInesh and acquired territories on the Isle of Man becoming a truly Manx family. However in the 17th and 18th century some of the family migrated back to Ireland and settle in Wicklow and Wexford.

The standard references on Manx surnames - A.W. Moore "Surnames and Placenames of the Isle of Man" 1890/1906  and J.J. Kneen "The Personal Names of the Isle of Man" 1927 - don't mention ANY form of Kinch/Cinch!

On matters Manx, I think I prefer to trust the researches of a Manxman!

[RedMystic]

Thank you Hall of Names. That is fascinating.

I had to Google Saran, King of the Dal Airaidhe to get a timeframe & find out a bit more about. If this is the case, then Kinch would be solidly Irish, dating back to 357ish.

Would these two references, one for "king" & one for "chief" be one & the same fellow?


Saran, King of Ulster:
Saran was second son of Caelbadh and was actually King of Ulster for 26 years before he was ousted (357?) by the three brothers known as the Three Collas. The Three Collas conquered Ulster, burnt and destroyed the regal city of Emania and transplanted the natives to Dal Airaidhe and Iveagh. Saran was the last king of Ulster of the Irian line.

Saran, Chief of the Dal Airaidhe:
Saran was Chief of the Dal Airaidhe during the time of Saint Patrick. He was seemingly known as a blood thirsty warrior who terrorised the kingdom of Dal Airaidhe killing and enslaving many people and saying wicked things about St.Patrick. Olcan, with a monastery at Armoy, bargained with Saran to save lives and agreed to baptise Saran. This infuriated St Patrick (who obviously didn't have a sense of humour) that Olcan would baptise such a wicked man who was without remorse and he "prophesied that day that Olcan’s monastery would drown in blood, lose its honour, and be destroyed three times. Eerily, the Irish historical annals record that the Armoy monastery was indeed raided by a King of Dalriada, later by Cucuaran, and finally by Eochaid, who burned it down, leaving only the stump of its round tower."

[RedMystic]

A branch of this family called themselves Kinch or McInesh and acquired territories on the Isle of Man becoming a truly Manx family. However in the 17th and 18th century some of the family migrated back to Ireland and settle in Wicklow and Wexford.

The standard references on Manx surnames - A.W. Moore "Surnames and Placenames of the Isle of Man" 1890/1906  and J.J. Kneen "The Personal Names of the Isle of Man" 1927 - don't mention ANY form of Kinch/Cinch!

On matters Manx, I think I prefer to trust the researches of a Manxman!

It does seem odd, KGarrad, that there seems to be no mention of them as Manxmen in your Isle of Man records. 

I didn't know what a stew I'd open by asking this question. It is really quite amazing, & I'm enjoying it thoroughly.

[RedMystic]

I am wondering how the author got the information that your Kinch ancestor came from Inch on Gorey - if we can establish that, its pretty simple down to the present, if the ones there today are related to your Lawrence. They have been on the same place in Inch since 1854 anyway - I checked. I will root around for early Irish Kinch families to see what turns up. There was one called Henry who was murdered by the rebels in 1798 in Gorey, and one in Dublin who was put on trial for helping a murderer - not connected incidents.

PM

Hi Pastmagic,

I sent this query off to the maker of the family tree (posted in the opening of this thread) about 15 hours ago - that would have been through the night for him. I've not yet heard back, but he does seem friendly so I wait hopefully for a response. 

[RedMystic]

Hi Trish

The poster of the Kinch tree did respond on the question of William being a brother/cousin to Lawrence or a son. He has no proof, but is now leaning towards brother.

Re WILLIAM Kinch 1801 supposedly the Son of Lawrence;

William KINCH, Christening, 07 June 1801, Inch by Gorey, Wexford, Ireland
Parents JOHN Kinch and JANE
(Source IGI Extracted)

I also queried parents of Lawrence. He doesn't have anything to fill in that blank. If William & Lawrence are brothers, however, then perhaps the info in the Christening transcription provides a wee hint on parentage.

[KGarrad]

It does seem odd, KGarrad, that there seems to be no mention of them as Manxmen in your Isle of Man records. 

Whoa!  Hang on!! they aren't MY records!!