Origins of the surname Kinch

[RedMystic]

It does seem odd, KGarrad, that there seems to be no mention of them as Manxmen in your Isle of Man records. 

Whoa!  Hang on!! they aren't MY records!! 

I meant it figuratively only - you being on the Isle of Man. 

[Hazel17]

I am just dipping in quickly to say that I am still interested in this thread but I am too tired to process it all at the moment. (I'm a teacher and it is first week back and my brain is spinning). I will have a good read through at the weekend and will take a look through my Kinch stuff and see if I have anything useful to post.

[RedMystic]

Hi Hazel

TX for all you do as an educator. It's a very important role & one I hold in very high esteem.

TX also for your interest. Get some sleep. We're not going anywhere. Perhaps we'll catch up with your thoughts on the weekend - or once you've had a chance to connect the dots in your research.

[Hazel17]

Thanks for that - sometimes it feels like not everyone appreciates the teaching profession.

Once I read all the posts properly I might be able to see where my Kinches slot in. Its quite an unusual surname so hopefully we can unravel the oringins somehow.

[KGarrad]

Hazel,

Doesn't matter to me if you reply in 6 months time!
Chill out and digest the information!

Have a sister-in-law who is deputy-head of a primary school (in IOM as it happens!) - so respect to all teachers out there!

RedMystic - I'm not actually in IoM!
Used to live there; new wife has lived there for over 30 years; hoping to move back soon!

[Hazel17]

There is a danger though that I will forget to reply if I don't do it soon. If its not on the to do list at this time of year or staring me in the face or in somewhere I  can trip over it then it probably won't get done.   

I do want to try and take my Kinch line back a further generation or to so I want to follow this through.

[RedMystic]

I am wondering how the author got the information that your Kinch ancestor came from Inch on Gorey - if we can establish that, its pretty simple down to the present, if the ones there today are related to your Lawrence. They have been on the same place in Inch since 1854 anyway - I checked. I will root around for early Irish Kinch families to see what turns up. There was one called Henry who was murdered by the rebels in 1798 in Gorey, and one in Dublin who was put on trial for helping a murderer - not connected incidents.

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Hi Pastmagic,

I sent this query off to the maker of the family tree (posted in the opening of this thread) about 15 hours ago - that would have been through the night for him. I've not yet heard back, but he does seem friendly so I wait hopefully for a response. 

Hi again Pastmagic. The tree creator e-mailed me back saying the Inch on Gorey connection came from the LDS. Apparently another relative went to Utah & the connection was made for him while he was there. I'm not very good at the LDS on-line searches - don't find them very intuitive - but I will try to do a bit of digging around in the site in the next week or so. Surely, they would have a source documented for the info? 

[Pastmagic]

That is a bit strange! So the plot thickens again. Clearly there is a Kinch /Inch by Gorey connection with your part of the world from that tombstone I found, and the shipping list entry I sent you, but without the Utah evidence  there is no concrete evidence  to connect Lawrence's line to that place! Does he or any of his Irish Born family appear on Canadian censuses with a Birthplace?. I'll have a look at the LDS again - I could not find him and I think I got all the Kinches, but I restricted the search to Wexford.

I have had a similar problem with a nice family in the US who are convinced they are my relatives, but although they went from here to the US and have the right surname and parish, there is no documentary way that I can see to prove the link, even, as in this case, there is only one family of the name in the parish. They are convinced my gggggfathers house is the "homestead" and go there every few years and we meet up!

See Ancestry have generated one of those odd books:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001KZLXO6?ie=UTF8&tag=ounainhi-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B001KZLXO6

And to add to the confusion - Here is what the OUP has:

English: of uncertain origin; perhaps a shortened form of Kinchen.
Irish: reduced form of the Gaelic patronymic Mac Aonghuis ‘son of Angus’ (see McGinnis).
Anglicized spelling of South German Kintsch, a variant of Künz (see Kuntz).

Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press

On the more general question, I do generally rely on McLysaght - he is a much respected source. The passage you quoted about Saran is probably derived from one or other of the Irish Annals or old genealogies, and were written long after the event. This is a complicated area of study, depending on the source - we are in the hinterland of Irish research here, where myth meets history!

However, perhaps Wendy may be able to give us the sources for the House of Names research? That would be really helpful and might broaden our search.

I have never thought of doing a one name study, so there are probably lots of ways of finding out about the Kinch origins I don't know about - and it is fun!

[Pastmagic]

On my way to bed, i turned up this little gem:
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/26234324/person/1828775954/story/3e7e4076-e1ef-4181-b5c1-01289a5be4f3?src=search
Let me know if you can read it!
Kinch and Von Kinch all mixed up together.....takes ages to read....

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