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Punch Bowl Inn -Saltmarshe
« on: Sunday 04 September 11 19:49 BST (UK) »
Hi - a long shot, but have forum members  information on the Punch Bowl Inn in Saltmarshe.  I have a reference to it in the 1823 Baines trade directory but nothing else.  I would like to know where it is/was in Saltmarshe and who the landlords were in the early 1800s.

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Re: Punch Bowl Inn -Saltmarshe
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 September 11 02:41 BST (UK) »
Hi

The 1895 Ordnance Survey map shows an Inn on the river bank about 1 mile east of Saltmarshe Hall.  No idea if it's the Punch Bowl.

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Re: Punch Bowl Inn -Saltmarshe
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 September 11 18:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks Bee :)

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Re: Punch Bowl Inn -Saltmarshe
« Reply #3 on: Monday 05 September 11 19:44 BST (UK) »
Hi,

In the 1822 Baines history and directory for Saltmarshe there is this

BARKER, Thomas, vict. Punch Bowl

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Re: Punch Bowl Inn -Saltmarshe
« Reply #4 on: Monday 05 September 11 23:34 BST (UK) »
Just come across this image...

Could this have been the Punch Bowl??  click below for image

http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/yorkshire/saltmarshe_plough.html

The Plough, Saltmarshe, Yorkshire
The Plough closed in 1941 and is now used as a farmhouse. The publican in 1893 was John Rogerson

It does look like it has had several doors in the frontage, but these could have been original or put in at
different times over the years.

bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Punch Bowl Inn -Saltmarshe
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 06 September 11 16:23 BST (UK) »
Wendy/Claire - thank you, this looks a likely candidate.

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Re: Punch Bowl Inn -Saltmarshe
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 06 September 11 17:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Treehug
I cannot find anything else for this pub The Plough in Saltmarshe, but if you contact that lady I sent you
details for, I am sure she will help you, she lives in Saltmarshe herself.
I will make enquiries as to some info of that building as a farmhouse now and get back to you. I live local
to Saltmarshe so can do this easily.

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HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Punch Bowl Inn -Saltmarshe
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 06 September 11 18:03 BST (UK) »
I have checked on the Online Catalogue for the Treasure House, Beverley where this areas archives
are kept, this is what I have found for :-

Punch Bowl, Saltmarshe
Alehouse recognizance for Thomas Barker of the 'Punch Bowl' at Saltmarshe 1823
Surety of Thomas Watson of Newland, farmer
Finding No:- QDT/2/11/46

Alehouse recognizance for Thomas Barker of the 'Punch Bowl' at Saltmarshe  1825
Surety John Fitch of Howden, draper
Finding No:- QDT/2/11/117

Alehouse recognizance for Thomas Barker of the 'Punch Bowl' at Saltmarshe  1826
Surety John Fitch of Howden, draper
Finding No:- QDT/2/11/157

All the above are part of Quarter Sessions Doc's for Tradesmen of Howdenshire.

These are the only documents held for any alehouse/pub/public house in Saltmarshe, nothing for Plough.


This Thomas Barker, was he a Cordwainer in Saltmarshe?? found something for one:-

Parties: Thomas Barker, Saltmarshe, cordwainer & Philip Saltmarshe, Esq of Saltmarshe
Cottage with garth & croft containing 0.5 of anacre in Saltmarshe and the cottages or tenements on part of the hereditaments before described
Consideration: £400
Deed of covenants relating to property in Saltmarshe  .... With abstract of title of Thomas Barker to copyhold premises at Saltmarshe.   27 May 1826
Finding No:- DDSA/768

Parties: Thomas Barker, Saltmarshe, cordwainer
2) Philip Saltmarshe, Saltmarshe, Esq
Cottage at Saltmarshe with garth & croft containing  0.5 of an acre with cottages or tenements on part of the land
Consideration: £550
Finding No:-  DDSA/796

The above form part of the papers for Saltmarshe Estate held at the Treasure House, Beverley.
The Saltmarshe family bought up most of the properties in Saltmarshe and surrounding hamlets, so the above was just the norm for the Saltmarshe family.

I am wondering if the Saltmarshe family bought the Punch Bowl and converted part of it into a farmhouse with an entrance for the pub and then renamed it The Plough??? very possible. Saltmarshe is an isolated area but would have had a large manpower of farm hands, so therefore a pub on its doorstep would have been a valuable asset, even if it was in a back room of a farmhouse!!! also would be common to for a Cordwainer to have a pub, day work and evening work in such a rural area.

bendywendy


HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Punch Bowl Inn -Saltmarshe
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 September 11 19:33 BST (UK) »
Wendy,

Thank you for the research which is very interesting.  One of Thomas Barker's sons married a Hannah Fitch in Howden in 1823 so the name John Fitch coming up in the archives you mention is another clue for me :).