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Hirschberg....Poland or Germany ?
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ellis1813
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Hirschberg....Poland or Germany ?
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Sunday 04 September 11 19:40 BST (UK) »
One of my OH's ancestors was born in 1830 in PreuBen, Hirschberg.
Would this have been part of Poland or Germany ?
Thank you
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carinthiangirl
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Re: Hirschberg....Poland or Germany ?
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Tuesday 06 September 11 16:30 BST (UK) »
it was prussian in 1830.
"Nach der Neugliederung Preußens gehörte Hirschberg seit 1815 zur Provinz Schlesien und war ab 1816 Sitz des Landkreises Hirschberg."
from 1815 - 1919 belonged to province Silesia of Prussia.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelenia_G%C3%B3ra
The Province of Silesia (German: Provinz Schlesien; Polish: Prowincja Śląsk; Silesian: Prowincyjo Ślůnsko) was a province of the Kingdom of Prussia from 1815 to 1919; the territory had been conquered from Habsburg Austria during the 18th century Silesian Wars. The provincial capital was Breslau. During the Weimar Republic, in 1919, Silesia was divided into the separate provinces of Upper Silesia and Lower Silesia. The two provinces were reunited into a single province from 1938-41.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia_Province
district Hirschberg:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreis_Hirschberg_im_Riesengebirge
now Powiat Jeleniogórski (Lower-Silesia) in Poland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelenia_G%C3%B3ra_County
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powiat_Jeleniog%C3%B3rski
the town Hirschberg now Jelenia Góra. Poland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelenia_G%C3%B3ra
ellis1813
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Re: Hirschberg....Poland or Germany ?
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Tuesday 06 September 11 16:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you Carinthiangirl,
Lots to read there.
Debbie x
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carinthiangirl
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Tuesday 06 September 11 21:22 BST (UK) »
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&sugexp=gsis,i18n%3Dtrue&cp=12&gs_id=3&xhr=t&q=jelenia+g%C3%B3ra&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=572&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
ellis1813
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Re: Hirschberg....Poland or Germany ?
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Wednesday 07 September 11 10:02 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Carinthiangirl.
Debbie x
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ownpe
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Re: Hirschberg....Poland or Germany ?
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Monday 12 September 11 11:27 BST (UK) »
By today's standard the name sounds very German, rather than polish. Probably why it was renamed to that "Jelenia Góra" cited below.
carinthiangirl
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Re: Hirschberg....Poland or Germany ?
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Monday 12 September 11 18:22 BST (UK) »
Hirschberg was the german name when it was Prussia- clear that it got a polish name when it became polish.
ellis1813
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Re: Hirschberg....Poland or Germany ?
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Monday 12 September 11 21:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you CGirl and Ownpe...So,
Was..Hirschberg, Silesia, Prussia
Now..Jelenia Gora, Poland.
Looking at the maps and reading various links, would this have been Lower Silesia and how would he have travelled to the Uk ?
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Maddocks....Manchester
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carinthiangirl
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Re: Hirschberg....Poland or Germany ?
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Tuesday 13 September 11 19:13 BST (UK) »
correct - Lower-Silesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Silesia
old map - go into the right corner below, then scroll up to 50° (above it) at right side and you find Hirschberg with the former german name:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/33-51.jpg
he possible travelled by train to the coast in the west of Europe and then maybe with ship - from Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Bremen, Hamburg or so....don´t think it was a habour at the Adria like Genua or so. some possibilities....
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