Catherine WILMSHURST - COMPLETED

[Dundee]

From the dates that you have for Elizabeth's birth and her parents' marriage there is a good chance she was born before the marriage.  As they and their extended family stayed in the same area, perhaps a check for a baptism under both surnames might find her.  You would likely have to chase this up with the local church.

Debra 

[gav]

G'day
Yes there is a good chance she was born before the marriage,  certainly pregnant. I will try church records and also plan a trip to visit the towns in South Australia associated with the Wilmshurst famiy, probably on the way when I visit my home town of Broken Hill

I have now fully explored the Wilmshurst name in the 1800's South Australia and all come from 4 brothers, whom emigrated to SA, sons of William Wilmshurst and Jemima Twynan – Kent England.   
 
Same of the family also emigrated to New Zealand.

Cheers, gav

[mandywh]

Before coming across this site  I  had also come to the conclusion the Catherine was (a) unregistered (unless some really bad spelling) and (b) born before her parents were married. i am also wondering if even though Mary Annie Keeley and William John Wilmshurst were married, if Catherine was even his child, having been born before their marriage.

In the court when William was being sorted for desertion and maintenance 1865, Mary Annie was referred to as Annie.
Interestingly Annie Keeley was also in court in October 1862 with Patrick Creamer who was up for child support for his illegitimate daughter by Annie.
POLICE COURTS. ADELAIDE: TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21. [Before Mr. S. Beddome, P.M.]
    South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Wednesday 22 October 1862 p 2 Article

Was this daughter Catherine?
                                                    (pause for dramatic music)
I am continuing to check for a child with variations of Keeley, Creamer and Wilmshurst surname, even though it is possible she was not registered at all.

I have come across Patrick Creamer before in doing my mother's history, luckily he's not related, as yet (he has a bit of a rep being in court for other minor offences) but there was also a Catherine Creamer around the same time who was of his generation which may indicate Catherine as a  family name.

Mary Annie's background as I know .... father John Keeley
Mary Annie Keeley was born 1837/1838. She arrived in Adelaide from Liverpool on the ship Bee on 9 October 1858

[Essie]

DRUM  ROLL!!!!!!!!

KEALLEY female child not named b: 20 May 1860
Father: Patrick CRAMMER
Mother: Ann KEALLEY
Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide
Ade / Book: 15 / Page: 348
Symbol: X
Cross Reference: See also: CRAMMER (not recorded)

Essie

Also found this record
(not recorded)  CRAMMER
b: 20 May 1860
Sex: F
Father: Thomas CRAMMER
Mother: Ann KEALLEY
Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide
Cross Reference: See also: KEALLEY (not recorded)

[cando]

Good find Essie.

I would add that the Symbol X was on both registrations....

X. Cross referenced Registration. Major Spelling Variation between Registar and Informant. Confusion between given and surnames and ambiguity of which parents surname is to be used for the child.

Another example of how one should not always believe the information on certificates

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Patrick CREAMER arrived in South Australia 9 Oct 1858 on the BEE  Also on board were John, Etty, John and Thomas CREAMER and Mary Ann is noted as Ann KEELY

Annie KEELEY 's appearance in court 1862
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ezv/

The recent marriage of the defendant

CREAMER Patrick  23 years  Status Single  Father John CREAMER
NUGENT Rebecca  22 years   Status Single Father William NUGENT
18 Aug 1862
At St Patricks Church Adelaide  Ade 51/93

Wm's appearance in court 1865 "Defendant called the assistant bailiff and several other witnesses to prove the intemperate habits of his wife and her utter neglect as to his meals."
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ezz/

Death notice for John WILMSHURST husband of the late Mary Annie and son of William.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ezy/

Cheers
Cando

[mandywh]

Aren't records lovely?  i was looking at that birth too ... shame she didn't have a first name!

So old Patrick marries Rebecca .... offers to take the child from Annie when the courts ask him for money .... Annie has to find someone else to support her ... marry ..... william? But he's not happy in the marriage , maybe because of her past , and deserts her off and on.

Well it's all speculation .... bit of a soapy (I need to go to bed)
Happy hunting everyone

[mandywh]

just to add, because it was in my thoughts in regards to  Annie's arrival .... South Australian Register 11 Oct 1858 has her name as Mary Ann Keeley   - not just Ann Keeley
 SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVED.
    South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Monday 11 October 1858 p 2 Article

[Essie]

How about this entry in BISA . . . . more confusion of names albeit the name of the daughter . . . . don't think they were a different family ?

CRAMER Patrick
arr: by 1860
res: Adelaide
rel: RC
m: Anne nee KELLY
ch: Cath (1860-)

AND also this for Patrick.
CREANOR Patrick par: John and Etty
b: c1840 KID IRL
arr: 1858 BEE
occ: Labourer res: Adelaide
rel: Rc
m: 18.8.1862 Adelaide SA Rebecca nee NUGENT

Essie