Catherine WILMSHURST - COMPLETED

[gav]

Help with finding information on Catherine WILMSHURST, born abt 1861, no registration entry found in South Australia Births.

She married George Knott 12 Jun 1879, Appila, South Australia and her death date, 30 Jul 1893 Happy Valley, South Australia. Approximated DOB is by her marriage age.

Registration of children births show both WILMSHURST/WILMOTT

Catherine’s father on the marriage entry was recorded as John William WILMSHURST.

Children of George and Catherine –

George Alfred James Date: 1880-03-02 Birth Place: Port Pirie
William Fredrick Date: 1881-03-06
Robert Date: 1883-06-22 Birth Place: Wirrabara
James Henry Date: 1885-08-26 Birth Place: Nr North Gumeracha
John Cecil Date: 1888-01-29Birth Place: Houghton
Violet Mary Date: 1890-02-12 Birth Place: Beetaloo
Elizabeth May, Birth Place: Happy Valley 1892-05-19,
Katherine Elizabeth Date: 1893-07-30 Birth Place: Happy Valley

Catherine father - John William WILMSHURST – I Found a William John WILMSHURST who married a Mary Annie KEELEY – Mary died at Wirrabara South Australia
Catherine WILMSHURST and George KNOTT had 8 Children, their third son Robert, born 22 Jun 1883 at Wirrabara South Australia; Mary Annie WILMSHURST nee KEELEY died 7 Sep 1889 Wirrabara, South Australia.

I have been in touch with descendents of William John WILMSHURST and Mary Annie KEELEY and they have nothing on Catherine being part of the family.

Any help would be appreciated

[cando]

Firstly there are many missing births from the SA indexes.  Catherine was 19 when married.   Who were the witnesses at the marriage?

Cheers
Cando

[Jamjar]

Do you know John William's occupation and what was Catherine's mother's name?

Jamjar

[cando]

The surname of Catherine on the birth indexes is WELMCHURST/WELLMOTHERS/WILMHURST/WILMOTT/WILMUSH/WILLMUSHT/WILMURST.  Did Catherine sign the marriage cert or mark with a cross?

In 1879 marriage certs in South Australia in SA list
    Date and Place of Marriage
    Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages and Rank
    Condition
    Trade
    Residence
    Father's names

Cando

 
       

[Jamjar]

Now that's a lot of variations! Reminds me of my Lawardorns. 

Is there a reason why it is thought that Catherine was born in SA?

Jamjar

[gav]

Thank you for your responses

There no reason to presume Catherine was born in SA, but have checked the New South Wales BDM, Ancestry.com, Findmypast for baptism records and a number of  other sites.
I have found a number of family trees with Catherine, no birth date or mother and they probably got that data from my family site.

I do not know John William’s occupation and would love to find Catherine’s mother’s name.

Maybe its one of the many missing births indexes, Cando..

I haven’t got  the marriage certificate, the marriage details I have are from the Digger CD SA marriages, showing date, place of Marriage and father of Catherine.
 If I did purchase the marriage or even death cert, would it be a benefit, I been told the early SA certificates have very little info.

Cheers, gav

[Dundee]

William John and Mary Annie had two children in February 1865, how many can you find regtistrations for before that date?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39134819?searchTerm=wilmshurst&searchLimits=l-decade=186

Debra 

[gav]

Hi Debra - your find could be the clue I been looking for

This pager report in the Register showed that there was 2 children, one child left with friends and the births register  have only one at that time, the pager report says they separated and maybe because Annie was pregnant with William Amos got back together 


William John and Annie Chiidren

Elizabeth Harriet Julia Ann
Date: 1864-04-18

1865-02-18 William having deserted his wife

William Amos
Date: 1865-09-26

Sarah Harriott
Date: 1869-11-03

Annie Adelaide
Date: 1871-07-15

Sarah Harriott
Date: 1872-12-21

Clara Ellen
Date: 1874-10-20

Elizabeth Julia
Date: 1877-04-06

Cheers, gav

[gav]

 :)I will probably lay claims that Catherine is the first child of William John, not John William WILMSHURST and Mary Annie Keeley. I will keep looking to try and fully verify the matter.

Catherine and George KNOTT had 8 Children, their third son Robert, born 22 Jun 1883 at Wirrabara South Australia; Mary Annie Keeley died at Wirrabara. Wirrabara is a very small town, the nucleus of the WILMSHURST family that arrived in SA settle at Thebarton, Adelaide.

I have done a check on William and Mary children, their daughters had a child at Wirrabara and the register entry was both WILMSHURST and WILMOTT, this happened a couple times with the  children of William and Mary have confused the surname, like Catherine an George in the SA birth registered WILMSHURST and WILMOTT for her children.

Only 7 birth registered to William and Mary Annie, but there was eight children

This pager report below, thanks so much to Debra who found it in the Register, the  article below in the Register showed that there was 2 children, one child left with friends, the births register  have only one at that time, the pager report says they separated, and because Annie was pregnant with William Amos I guess got back together.

South Australian Register Saturday 18 February 1865

W. J. Wilmshurst was charged as having deserted his wife, Annie Wilmshurst, without leaving her any means of support. Complainant stated that she was married to defendant about three years ago at the Catholic Chapel, Wallaroo. Her husband did not turn her out, but the bailiff entered for rent and left her no inducement to remain. She would have become houseless and homeless but for the kindness of some friends at Thebarton. Defendant called the assistant bailiff and several other witnesses to prove the intemperate habits of his wife and her utter neglect as to his meals. The Court ordered a payment of 10s a week towards the maintenance of the wife and one child, the other being cared for by defendant's friends.

Cheers, gav