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Re: Can't find place in Ireland
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 04 September 11 09:03 BST (UK) »
You need to be careful as both Cecilia and Fahy would be common names in the West of Ireland.  Here's the full details of the 1866 Tuam birth, not matching your sketchy possible name for the mother:

   Name: Cecelia Fahy
   Birth date: 21 Nov 1866
   Birthplace: Co. Galway
   Parents : Edward Fahy & Margaret O Dea
   Ref: V 19 -2 / P 596

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Re: Can't find place in Ireland
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 04 September 11 10:20 BST (UK) »
I can only reiterate what Carol says.
If you look at the actual census, the 'T' is written in a cursive manner- compare it with 'T' for Thomas elsewhere on the page. The transcriber has then interpreted it as 'L'.
The trees have no evidence for the Fay or Fahy name- other than perhaps the birth certificate you mention but certainly nothing to show on the trees to support the parents.
You could write to the owner of the tree to ask re Martin and Elizabeth.
If you are able to do so, it may be worth looking at the other children's birth or baptism details to compare mother's name.

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Re: Can't find place in Ireland
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 04 September 11 10:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks all for the info, I agree with you Carol regarding the false leads however up to now the info I found in this public tree was all that I could find relating to my GG Mothers birth even though I knew it to be incorrect, I'm finding it very difficult to locate any Irish records on the websites I'm using, they must be the incorrect ones?. Someone else had copied this same info into a tree and then got a totally different persons record for death which gave my GG Mother an age at death of 99 (which would have meant I could have asked her these questions personally) also the tree details didn't fit with the info on her birth cert. My problem was the place of birth "Loams" Ireland, from the answers to this post I now presume that no such place exists or ever existed in Ireland, and it looks like Taum is possibly the place I should be looking. The info posted by johnjensen is looking good for the birth, Cecilias parents details that I gave earlier could be a complete red herring having came from the same source as that claiming my GG Mother was 99 at death. I recall reading that a lot of Irish records were lost in a fire some years back could this be the reason I'm struggling to find records on both Ancestry and findmypast. Thanks
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Re: Can't find place in Ireland
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 04 September 11 10:41 BST (UK) »
Ancestry and FindMyPast dont have many Irish records, so there's not much point looking there.

All the civil BMD records survived, and so do all the RC parish records. It was older census returns and many Church of Ireland records that were destroyed in the Public Records Office fire during the civil war.


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Re: Can't find place in Ireland
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 04 September 11 10:48 BST (UK) »
Hi, Emma Marlow who was Cecilia's eldest daughter obtained a copy of her own birth cert in 1947 following the death of her husband
john Henry, she must have obtained it to claim widows pension or something, this is were the name Fahy came from, Cecilia registered the birth in Walsall Staffordshire herself and signed the cert with an X also if you look at the 1901 census the column which is far right and asks if a person is Deaf/Dumb a Lunatic etc also shows a X for Cecilia, so putting 2 and 2 together I'm thinking she can't read or write or maybe even worse I'm yet to find out. If her educational skills are shall we say low to none existant then any info she gave to the registrar would be recorded in there interpretation, her Cristian name is recorded as Celia on the cert and not the full Cecilia, It would be interesting to see if Cecilia had any siblings as the surname Fahy comes up quite often for Walsall which could mean she had other family members in the area.
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Re: Can't find place in Ireland
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 04 September 11 11:03 BST (UK) »
Fuseman

The X in the far right box on the census was the enumerators way of recording those born outside the country/county,and as she was born in Ireland he marked it such. He could then scan through the pages quickly to count how many 'outsiders' he had recorded.

Also if she spoke with an Irish accent,the registrar may not have understood her and wrote Celia if that's what he thought she'd said.As you say she couldn't read,so she wouldn't have known if it was right or wrong.

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Re: Can't find place in Ireland
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 04 September 11 11:10 BST (UK) »
The name Cecilia can also be found as Celia/Selina/Sabina there are variations.

I am trying to find anything about the Celia in 1881 with the Collins family. It is perhaps coincidence but as I can't find anything about the Collinses in later censuses, it isn't too good.
She is married so that could account for there not being a marriage between Edward and Cecilia.
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Re: Can't find place in Ireland
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 04 September 11 11:22 BST (UK) »
Going back to my interest in Celia ?aughton in 1881.

There is a marriage 1877 Walsall with possible spouses:

Cecilia Foy
William Naughten

The other spouses on the page are together in 1881.
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Re: Can't find place in Ireland
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 04 September 11 11:38 BST (UK) »
Ah Heywood,you may have something there....

Foy/Fahy (said with an Irish accent!)

If you look at the 1901 page you will see there are a lot of Irish people there,so it's not unlikely that there will be others locally in Walsall with the Fahy surname.

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