Can't find place in Ireland

[fuseman]

The man Cecilia was living with was Edward Marlow, Cecilia also used the surname of Marlow, but I don't expect this proves they were actually married, I have drawn a total blank on a marriage. And yes Carol8353 the surname Fahy comes up very often in Walsalls birth records around the dates I've Searched, also the name Foy is there. Just had another look at Emma's birth cert (Cecilia's eldest daughter) and I can see she was born in Green Lane Walsall, which is within a stones throw of the address shown for Cecilia in the 1901 census as Penkridge St, Green Ln is in the same parish of St Peters, this may have been the place a wedding took place?. St Peters is still in use so I will contact the local vicar to see if they still have any records for around that time, this may reveal something.

[heywood]

I think it would be good to get a copy of that marriage certificate of Cecelia Foy. You would get a father's name and the witnesses may also provide clues. If nothing else, it may eliminate this Cecelia.

If she was already married, that would be a reason for not being able to marry Edward Marlow.

Do you know if the children were brought up Catholic?

Cecilia's year of birth is shown as 1856 and 1858.

Celia Laughton's is 1859.

[heywood]

From research I have carried out on ancestry I think but not 100% sure that her mother was named Mary Elizabeth Gleason. b, abt 1835 also in LOAMS d. 1923 and her father was Martin Francis Fay b. abt 1830 also in LOAMS d. 1921.  Thanks

It looks as though this information may have derived from 1881 RG11 2824 /  61 / 11

Martin and Mary Fahy with several children including Cealia born 1874 and a mother in law Mary Glesson.

There is a Foy family at 1881 RG11 2826 / 11 / 15
Martin Foy and Ellen Foy from 'Chume' - they look to be married in Penkridge in 1866

[Sinann]

Looking at Rootsireland.ie there is an Ceceilia Fahy born 1899 in Galway, and a Cecily Fahy 1904 they were the only two on a country wide search of Fahy's that came close couldn't find one in or around 1858 but than the Tuam records don't appear to be there going by the list of parish's available for Galway

On the National Archives Census (Ireland) there is a Martin Fahy in Dooros Drummin Galway age 70
Wife Lizzie 60
Mary Ann daughter 30
Kate daughter 24
Martin son 23
by 1911
Lizzie has age 14 years but that not unusual
Mary Ann is gone but they now have a Margaret.
They had 8 children 7 still living so it is possible they could by Cecelia's parents but Drummin is a good hours drive from Tuam
BTW they can all read and write.

[fuseman]

Hi Sinann and thanks for the info.

[heywood]

The Foy family who were married in Penkridge and then in Walsall are also listed as Fay in other censuses.

At the risk of repeating myself  I would check that Foy/Naughten marriage.

[fuseman]

I have looked at the william noughten and cecilia foy marriage in 1877 at walsall but the marriage record is all I can find there is no record of the family anywere in the 1881 or 1891 census I did find a death record for a william noughten in walsall but thats about all, so will need to dig a little deeper with that one

[heywood]

She looks to be in 1881 census as I already gave you with her brother in law Lawrence Collins.

What I am trying to establish is of course, is if she is your Cecilia which is difficult as you have little to go on to find your Cecilia.

I was thinking that if you got the marriage details - probably would have to be by buying a certificate unless you could find the church marriage, you would get that Cecilia's, father's name and also any witness names who may be other clues.

There could possibly be a connection, as you have said already, to other Foy/Fay/Fahy/Fahey families in Walsall. There is the Martin Foy/Fay one who also give Tuam as p o b.

If you are able to go to a local library, there may be Catholic and other church records you could check.

[fuseman]

Looked at the 1881 census record for Lawrence Collins who is showed as a widower, Celia Laughton would have been Lawrence's wifes sister I would think?, then looked at the 1871 census and found Lawrence Collins listed as Susanna Collias (not far out realy) still living in Walsall with his wife Julia Collins (if reading correct) However I can't find a record of her death or a marriage for her and Lawrence maybe they were married in Ireland? If Julia's maiden name was Foy then this could be the link to the Cecilia Foy who married William Naughton in Walsall in 1877 and hence she could be the Cecilia I'm looking for. Need to dig a little deeper in the Irish records for Julia's marriage to Lawrence.