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Offline kim ter-horst

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what's YOUR family's "related to royalty" story
« on: Thursday 05 May 05 08:57 BST (UK) »
HI all

I have become aware of the fact that nearly everyone I talk to about my family's "related to royalty" story is able to come back with their own family's version.  We're meant to be descended from the duke of bedford - his daughter supposedly ran away with her music teacher.   Although, I have the marriage certificate and the groom was illiterate which I find unlikely in a music teacher.   (shes the one who later killed herself in an asylum so she might have been the most reliable source).

So that's our story - what's your "related to royalty" story?

Where so they come from? How do myths like this get started? Are our ancestors all bold faced liars or are there seeds of truth - has anyone uncovered the truths in their own myths?

royally yours

kim
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Re: what's YOUR family's "related to royalty" story
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 May 05 10:55 BST (UK) »
My lot seem to have been 'common as muck' from the year dot - no one even remotely connected to royalty, aristocracy or whatever.

I read somewhere that statistically speaking just about everyone in England has to be descended from William the Conqueror. I think my ancestors probably cleaned up after his horse.
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Re: what's YOUR family's "related to royalty" story
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 May 05 11:38 BST (UK) »
One branch of my family came to New Zealand from Nova Scotia and a pretty reputable source has traced that family back to very early settlers of Massachusetts, circa Mayflower era. No great claims made in this book ...

However I find that, given the enthusiasm of US genealogists, it is very easy to find somewhere on the web someone amongst all those names (usually a wife) who has been traced back to just about every royal family in Europe. I take it all with a huge grain of salt and tend to lose interest once it all moves into the ridiculous world of speculation. Who actually cares? It's the people you can feel a real connection to who count.

I do have one terrific connection I am very pleased about, though. Not exactly royalty, but a good story.

My gx4 grandfather was a convict transported to Australia in 1790. (I read the actual transcript of his 'trial' on the Old Bailey site - a fantastic site if you, too, are one of the criminal classes.) His grandaughter, sister of my g-grandfather, married Ivo Bligh, the captain of the English cricket team to whom the original Ashes were first given. She subsequently became the Countess of Darnley and was for a time the official 'Keeper of the Ashes' - they were given to the MCC after her death.

The bit I enjoy most is that I looked her up in De Bretts, where she was said to be 'a niece of Morphy, the chess player'. This is total nonsense - someone, somewhere along the way, was keen to see that it didn't get out that she was the grandaughter of a transported criminal!

A lovely blend of fame and infamy ...

Ros    

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Re: what's YOUR family's "related to royalty" story
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 May 05 12:00 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Welcome to the discussion !

why not add your stories here: Are you related to Royalty
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,3318.0.html

and don't forget to read this thread, too  ;D
Blue Blood: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,10725.0.html

Enjoy  :)
Bob


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Re: what's YOUR family's "related to royalty" story
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 May 05 12:16 BST (UK) »
Lovely story about Florence Morphy and you are quite correct - she was no relation to Paul Morphy at all. His brother Edward lived in the States all his life. She was, of course, the daughter of Stephen Morphy who came to Australia from Killarney. But being even vaguely related to Ivo Bligh is wondeful.
Did you ever find out whether he was, in turn, any relative of Captain Bligh as that would give you another Australian antique connection? 8)
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Re: what's YOUR family's "related to royalty" story
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 May 05 12:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Hackstaple,

Yes, I did investigate the Paul Morphy story quite closely - and after reading all about him I was quite sorry to find there was no connection!  I forget the exact details now, but his family was quite prominent in Louisiana politics and there was a suggestion they had somehow come through Spain? the Caribbean? - as I say, I'm a bit vague now.

The source I read said his family had changed their name from Murphy to Morphy, which I always imagined my family must have done, but so far I have only found Morphys. I had also imagined that the only reason for three of my family's brothers to emigrate to Australia was that they were impoverished peasants, but this turns out not to be true as well - the family was reasonably affluent and it remains a bit of a mystery.

Yes, he was John Stephen Morphy and - apropos of the topic heading - through his mother Charlotte Galway you can find web stuff tracing the line back to Brian Boru.

That is all quite fun, but a bit meaningless ...

I'm intrigued by the idea of Captain Bligh being there somewhere, but any connection is only by a distant marriage and there are so many other names to pursue!

Glad you liked the Ashes story!

Ros
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Re: what's YOUR family's "related to royalty" story
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 May 05 13:22 BST (UK) »
Hi

I had thought that the father of Harry Sparrow Bence Roe (born 1847 in Suffolk)would never been found as there was a blank on his birth certificate and his mother was unmarried.  But I always thought that the middle names must mean something as Sparrow and Bence are very unusual and there is no trace of those names on the mother's side.  On his marriage certificate the father was named as Henry Bence Roe.

Then I discoved Bence Sparrow, a rector from Beccles.  The Rev Sparrow inherited the Bence fortune in 1804 and out of gratitude changed his name to Bence Bence.  He had a son called Henry.  Henry was christened Henry Bence Sparrow and after 1804 was known as Henry Bence Bence!

Confused?  Yes, me too.  However I did some research into the family and find lots of well-known names.  Two of the Bence/Sparrows married daughters of the Earl of Gosford.  One Sparrow married the grandson of Capability Brown.  The wife of Robert Sparrow acted as go-between between the Duke of Wellington and his wife to be.

Also another one, wrote a biography of Faraday, a personal friend.  He was also a doctor after whom something medical was named (something to do with blood, I think) and Charles Darwin was one of his patients.

But I can't link all this to my tree unless I can prove Harry Sparrow Bence Roe's parentage.  Very frustrating!!

Sue
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Re: what's YOUR family's "related to royalty" story
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 May 05 13:30 BST (UK) »
HI,

According to family folklore, my great grandmother was a 'Scottish Princess' who ran away with an English signwriter. They moved throughout England following his job, till she got sick and tired of it and said she was staying put, which happend to be in Kidderminster in Worcestershire.

His name was F John Cooper (who was a signwriter) and her names was Lavinia, but I havn;t been able to trace  her any further back to verify my inheritance!

Adrian
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Re: what's YOUR family's "related to royalty" story
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 May 05 19:03 BST (UK) »
I am reliably informed by an aunt that Ann Griffiths the Welsh hymn writer  is a great aunt, or great great aunt or something. Now to a Welshman that would beat being related to a royal by a long way.

Sadly, having traced all my lines back before her time, and traced all her parent's descendants, I can find no connection - except for one of my ancestors who claims to have been born in England but is a Welsh speaker and has the same name as one of Ann Griffiths missing relatives who disappeared after killing someone.

Ah well, I'll just live with the legend. It's more fun.

Lyndon
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