Taylors in Bamburgh/Newcastle

[broonyboy]

Hi All

I wonder if someone could assist me with the following dilemma.

I am looking at the Taylor family which seems to run

May Taylor dau of George Taylor (1906 Byker) son of Samuel Taylor (1880 Newcastle) son of James Taylor (1838 newcastle) son of Thomas Taylor (1806 Burton, Northumberland).

Looking at the 1851 census, Thomas and Martha are living in the west end of Newcastle with James and his brothers and sisters
(HO107/ 2404/ 71 p 22).

I have looked at the Bishop transcripts of the Parish Registers for Bamburgh (where I believe Burton lies just outside) and in 1806-1807, two Thomas Taylor's were baptised actually following each other in the registers.  Both are from fathers that live in Budle.

Has anyone any ideas how I may be able to split these to see which one (if either) is the father?

Also could someone see if they can find a marriage between a Thomas Taylor and Martha, as I have tried the freebmd etc to no avail.

hope someone can help.

Neale

[c-side]

Hi Neale

Firstly - Burton is in Bamburgh parish so you are looking in the right place.

As for two with the same name - I had this once - two of the same name in the same parish in the same year and it took me years to find a clue which would eliminate one of them.  It does seem a bit of a coincidence that they are next to each other, though - and both have mother's called Elizabeth!

On the offchance that there might have been a transcription error between PRs and BTs I'm wondering whether a look at the original record might be worth a try.

Christine

[peter brownlee]

Usually the occurrence of two names in close proximity of time and place means they were cousins, sons of brothers, named for their joint grandfather.
I would guess the other Thomas Taylor is the one in the 1851 census married to Margaret and with a birth place in Wolchester, an old variant of Outchester which is the next door township to Burton in Bamboroughshire. So you might only need to find their grandfather.
Peter

[2zpool]

In the parish record Thomas Taylor (b. Old Mill) with the father John the occupation was husbandman.  The Thomas (b. Bamburgh) with father Thomas-Thomas sr was a Tailor/Taylor(sic)  Sometimes the son's take the same occupation as the father. 

I could not find a marriage of a Thomas Taylor and a Martha in my Northumberland marriage index 1812-1837 but you really did not say what years to look.

Janis

[WolfieSmith]

Neale,

Do you have James Taylor (b. 1838) marriage cert, or the birth certs for any of his children?
I can't find any records of Thomas and Martha marriage or baptisms of their children, or other census records. But there is a James and Martha and family who fit the bill, so I'm wondering if the 1851 census for Thomas is a mistake (or perhaps he was James Thomas).

A tree on Ancestry has James Taylor (b.1838) marrying Mary Vowell, Newcastle St.Nicholas, 23 April 1860, then with your Samuel and lots other children. But his father at the marriage is James, not Thomas (also on Familysearch marriage record), witnesses Henry and Margaret Taylor.

I can't find Thomas/James or Martha in 1861, but this looks to be James (1838) brother Henry and sister Isabella.

21 Pitt St., Westgate,
Henry Taylor, 26, Morocco Leather Dresser, b. Newcastle.
Margaret Taylor, wife, 25, b. Newcastile
Henry Taylor, son, 6m, b. Newcastle,
Isabella Taylor, sister, 14, b. Newcastle.
RG9/3810/77/61

A marriage on Familysearch : 7 Sep 1856, Newcastle All Saints.
Henry Taylor, 21, and Margaret Fairs, 20. Grooms father James Taylor, Brides father Robert Fairs.

There is a marriage of a James Taylor and Martha Graham, Newcastle St. John, 3 Nov 1834.

There is a baptism of an Isabella Taylor, Newcastle St. John, parents James and Martha, 12 April 1847.

1841 census, Pilgrim St., Newcastle,
James Taylor, Ostler, 35, Y
Martha Taylor, 30, Y
James Taylor, 4, Y,
Samuel Taylor, 1, Y

A burial at Newcastle St Andrew, Samuel Taylor age 2 1/2, 13 Nov 1842.

It seems to fit, but you might have to buy a cert or two to confirm.

Alan.

[broonyboy]

wow....

Loads of info here to digest.  Judging by Alans hard work I was on my way up the wrong path with the Thomas's in Bamburgh, looks like he could actually be called james.

I will have to try and find out the cert I need to purchase, either wedding or birth and take it from there.

Thanks again for the help everyone, it is much appreciated.

Neale