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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 9 Episode #5: Emilia Fox
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 08 September 11 21:17 BST (UK) »
my mum knows a lot about the family.   Angela was  Illegitimate daughter of playwright Fredrick Lonsdale
birth name Angela Muriel Darita Worthington.  Noel Coward's song, "Don't Put Your Daughter on the stage, Mrs Worthington", was inspired by Angela's theatrical ambitions. Her mother, Lucy "Glitters" Worthington, was the wife of Dr Worthington of Birchington, Kent.

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 9 Episode #5: Emilia Fox
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 08 September 11 23:49 BST (UK) »
Hi  :)

Yes, the book was published in 1986 and I read it some time ago as well. And I heard Angela Fox on a local London talk radio station discussing it. Nearly everything in the programme is in her book which is beautifully written and really gives one a taste of the times.

The original research seemed to be about the collapse of the company and the linking with the Royal College of Music and Edward VII. Angela Fox had a lot of extra information about Samson (who among other talents was an accomplished violinist) and the rest of the family in her book.

She doesn't name them all, but Hilda and Lily Hanbury were part of a whole crop of cousins all of whom were actresses: Julia Neilsen, Florence Jamieson, Hilda Jacobson, Nora and Eileen Kerin. 

If you look on The Genealogist website http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/featuredarticles/wdytya_emiliafox.php and click on the link to the family tree at the bottom, Hilda and Lily were the daughters of Mathew Alcock and Elizabeth Davis who had five daughters. Matthew was the son of James and Susan Alcock. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Davis and Julia Keesing. Certainly Julia Keesing was of Dutch Jewish descent and it may be John Davis was as well.

It may be of interest that the "American Tart" Willie (really Arthur William) Fox ran off with was also a musical comedy actress Edna Lewisohn born McCauley who married banker Jesse Lewisohn and became the mistress of 'Diamond' Jim Brady. No idea about her parentage but if anyone has a subscription to the New York Times, there is an archive obituary which may say more. It ended badly for her because she died shortly afterwards of appendicitis in Paris.

If I remember rightly, Pamela Michael is the name of Robin Fox's sister who married a literary agent, Maurice Michael.

I think Angela Worthington Fox also has Sephardi Jewish ancestry. Her mother was Muriel Morice who was herself illegitimate, the daughter of a stockbroker and a coachman's daughter. I think the stockbroker was of Jewish descent. But as I've said on another board, I think they were all taking their cue from the Prince of Wales and then King Edward VII whose dalliances with actresses, society ladies, parlour maids were legendary but probably not more than a lot of monied men of that time!

Muriel had one legitimate daughter by Dr Worthington and the rest of the girls were daughters of Frederick Lonsdale. It's said that Frederick first approached Muriel's legitimate half-sister who wasn't interested and suggested he pass to her illegitimate half sister. So these men were always sniffing around and he also moved on to someone new after Muriel.

As Angela Fox says of the Fox family but it surely could apply to any number of the families at that time:  "The Foxes were really men's men; women were vitally necessary but as ornaments chiefly - to be turned to when the day's business and fun were over. Women were considered to exist to please, to comfort, to amuse their men - and if they failed, the men left them. It was up to the women to see that the financial settlements were to their liking - a hard code, perhaps, but that's how they were."


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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 9 Episode #5: Emilia Fox
« Reply #47 on: Friday 09 September 11 16:43 BST (UK) »
The Fox family are obviously very well documented! Maybe the WDYTYA researchers needed a few weeks off, it must have been very easy for them.

I enjoyed this one, not so much the theatrical side but the Samuel Fox industrial part. I thought it was a pity that little was made of Samuel Fox's beginnings in the textile industry. Emilia seemed a bit disappointed to learn that his father was an overlooker, dismissing it with 'What's that?', and no explanation was given!

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 9 Episode #5: Emilia Fox
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 10 September 11 20:49 BST (UK) »
i wonder if they are related to Samantha Fox  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 9 Episode #5: Emilia Fox
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 20 September 11 22:38 BST (UK) »
I saw this and Alan Carr while away on holiday

Enjoyed it though the details have faded a little
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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 9 Emilia Fox
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 08 August 13 00:42 BST (UK) »
I am intrigued by Hilda and her sister, Lily.  I find it slightly annoying, that these people on WDYTYA, seem to have interesting relatives all over the place!  (Whereas I have nothing but ag labs and coachmen!  ::) )

What intrigued was the way that only "one" Hilda Hanbury popped up when they did the search...ie, where was she in other censuses.

So in the 1891 census, she is living with her mother and siblings in her Uncle's house.  Her mother is down as "M" Couldn't find them anywhere else, so googled them.  They were born Hilda and Lily Alcock.  And in 1881, they are living with their parents, with a couple of servants and boarders (one being an actress :) )  I am now wondering why they ALL changed their names from Alcock to Hanbury.

Also a point of interest, it appears that Lily Hanbury was buried in a Jewish Cemetery.

(Have just discovered this all neatly written out in the Genealogist  ::) ::) ) Oh well, it was nice hunting!

I realise that this thread was made awhile ago, but I did some research after watching this episode. It turns out that Lily and Hilda's mother, Elizabeth Davis, was of Jewish lineage, hence the connection to Willesden Jewish Cemetery and Elizabeth's sister Louisa's marriage to Solomon Nathaniel Jacobson. On her marriage certificate, her father is called "John Albert Davis", who was a "cigar manufacturer". I traced the family to the 1871 Census, where John Albert Davis is married to Julia, who was born in Amsterdam, Holland. The reason why his history was initially difficult to trace is because he changed his name during his lifetime, although his death certificate lists him with his original name "Joseph Angel Davis". The 1861 Census has Julia as the head of the household and under the occupation the recorder has noted that her "husband JOSEPH [is] absent" and that he works in the cigar trade. I did a search on freebmd.org.uk and discovered that Joseph Angel Davis, son of Ralph Davis and Maria (according to the 1841 and 1851 Census), and Julia Keesing were married in 1842 in the City of London, alongside other Jewish couples. Keesing seems to be a Jewish family in Amsterdam; or, at least, that name seems to be prominent in Dutch Jewish genealogy websites. I think Ralph might not be the real name of his father; there seems to be a marriage between Angel (Asher Anshel) Davis, son of Raphael Frieslander, and Maria Davis, daughter of Joseph, in 1814 on SynagogueScribe. The similarity with the names (since Angel is Joseph's middle name) might be a coincidence, but it's not too ridiculous to presume that they could be relatives.