Samuel Sykes

[suzard]

Yes - blind as in cannot see - it is written in the end column

Will see if she is on any llater census -although "afflictions" weren't always noted

Suz

[mrshoggy]

Hi Suz,
Thanx so much for yr reply.    There is an extremely strong history of eye trouble in our SYKES family, so this info makes me feel slightly more convinced.   In fact, one of James/Samuel's grand-daughters was declared legally blind when a young adult, my cousin had to wear teeny glasses from when she was six months old etc etc.
Will have a look and see what I can find out on-line about the union workhouse.
Again, my many thanks.
Lynne

[suzard]

It looks like mary had died before 1861 census -and William had knocked 15 years off his age!!!!! But it looks like this is the family

1861
North End Huntingdon
William Sykes Head widower 55 Chelsea pensioner Gt Stockley Hunts
James Valentine son in law M 20 Labourer Huntingdon Hunts
Elizabeth Valentine daughter M 22 Brampton Hunts
next
George Sykes Lodger U 24 labourer Huntingdon
RG9 975 72 11

Marriage reg FreeBMD
Sept qtr 1859
Huntingdon
on same page
Elizabeth Sykes
James Valentine


Suz

[mrshoggy]

Hi Suz,
Thanks for your help.   I looked at some bits in the Huntingdon Union Workhouse and this fits to these guys it seems as well.
I wondered what had happened to Elizabeth, Thomas, James and William Jnr.  So thanks for the info on Elizabeth.  Will look further to see if I can find where/when/if Thomas was eventually transported, and what had happened to William Jnr.  Thanks so much for your help.

Lynne

[suzard]

Maybe this is William jnr?

1861
On board Vitake Whitby
Yarmouth Roads
William Sykes I 19 Seaman Appe Hundingdon
RG9 4442 121


Suz

[mrshoggy]

Hi Suz and again thanks.

Certainly worth looking further into re William.
At the moment am still trying to find Thomas.  Unless he too changed his name (James changed his on his convict indent to Samuel)
then later reverted back as well.   There was no Thomas Sykes on the Blenheim 3.  I know that some kids as young as 9 were sentenced
and sent by transportation, but it didn't happen often, so wonder if he was transported later, but at the mo can find nothing into VDL.  There is
family hearsay that there were two brothers - they apparently "fought" over money, and one came to Tas, tother to NZ.  Given James' history
this could merely just be a story to cover his history however.   He was a very secretive man too it's said.
Some of the Parkhurst Boys were sent to both Western Australia and NZ, so will look there as well.    I think Mary's (James'mother) was
born Mary Shelton, and John, the boarder with them in 1841 census was her son.  Makes sense.    Again, thanks so much.

Lynne

[BAC3]

Hello,

I have details for Samuel (James) SYKES, ex-Parkhurst Boy, if anyone would care to drop me a note.

For now,

BAC3

[J.J.]

I'll p.m. the poster, she must not get notification...

Perhaps James had a middle name Samuel  Several of my ancestors bounced back & forth between forename & middle name.

A bit on James Valentine's family...They seem to have Elizabeth dying very young, before the next census...but don't see her death in the district in that time period...Nor the marriage for James before the 1871... Wonder if she might have been using a middle name thing as well. 
http://genealogy-paulsen.com/Britain/Valentine_Register/RR01/RR01_006.HTM

May be William's progress http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wg1/
Have you sent for William's birth cert to find out Mary's surname? I see the marriage 1830   Great Stukeley to Mary Shelton, but that may have been a marriage surname as well....
I see the christening which does look pretty convincing, but 5 years after we found all proof leading to only one gal born in an area.... we found marriage of another gal, same name, born same district, same age, family had moved away as a baby ....& the poster had already followed through to the wrong ancestors...

Thus my tagline. J.J.

[mrshoggy]

Hi JJ and thanks for your reply.
I'm still new to Rootschat tho' started many moons ago.
I agree - I have come across situations where someone has created
an almost full family tree from incorrect situations, simply because
it was the only one there to be found at the time!!

will check out the other information and thanks so much for your help.
Lynne in Tasmania.