Samuel Sykes

[mrshoggy]

Hi List,
Am new to this, so hope I don't treat on any toes.  Am looking for details of a Samuel SYkes born in 1832/33 in Brampton, Huntingdonshire.   He was a Parkhurst Boy who was sent to VDL for "rehabilitation" when he was about 14.  His indent states his native place as Brampton.  He also used the name James Sykes (he had a brother Thomas - I think - from his indent).  I can find just one Samuel Sykes to fit this in the old IGI, but I know that not everyone is always included.   Could someone please advise how difficult it might be to find details of any others that might fit in this district??    I think his father was William.   Samuel's last crime was stealing pearl counters for/from a garden.

Regards and thanks,
lynne

[nanny jan]

Hi,

Welcome to Rootschat.   

Found this group of Sykes in Brampton on 1841 census:

James (40), Sarah (45), Harriott (20), Eleanor (15), David (15), George (15), Ann (13), James (11), Sarah (10), Samuel ( 8 ), Martha (5).  James snr. shown as Gardener and Harriot as Dressmaker.

HO107  450   4/12  18

Ages were adjusted on 1841 census so Eleanor, David and George are possibly not a set of triplets.


Nanny Jan

[suzard]

on census nanny jan has posted all except Sarah were b in Hunts

If you are certain he had a brother Thomas and his father was William -and he used the name James then is this a possibility?

1841 St Benedict Hunts
William Sykes 45 lab
Mary 35
John Shilton 14 lab
James Sykes 9
Thomas Sykes 6
George Sykes 4
Elizabeth Sykes 3
Wiliam Sykes 1mth
HO107 455 2 12 18

?

Suz

[suzard]

On Criminal registers Hunts I can find james Sykes and Thomas Sykes - convictions for larceny -  received 4days imprison and whipped and then later transpoterd 7 years
James was 15 in 1847 and Thomas was 9

Cannot find a Samuel in Hunts records

Suz

[suzard]

this is the family who lived at St Benedict Hunts in 1841
1851
St Johns Lane Huntingdon Hunts
William Sykes Head M 60 Chelsea Out Pensioner Gt Stukely Hunts
Mary wife 49 Gt Stukely Hunts Blind
George son 13 Lab Huntingdon Hunts
Elizabeth daughter 12 Brampton Hunts
William son 10 St benedicts hunts
HO107 1748 487 10

Suz

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Lynne

Welcome to Rootschat.

Brampton baptisms haven't been extracted onto the IGI or BVRI, nor was the LDS allowed to film the parish register. What you've seen on the IGI is a member submission, which range in quality from well researched to pure fiction. The one that you've found, presumably the one baptised on 23 Apr 1833, looks to be towards the more reliable end of the scale.

The trouble is, he's not yours, if yours was transported in 1846/7.

In 1841 living in Brampton were James and Sarah Sykes, with children Harriet 20, Elearn 15, David 15, George 15, Ann 13, James 11, Sarah 10, Samuel 8, Martha 5. No sign of a Thomas.

In 1851 still in Brampton, James 56, Ann 23, Sarah 20, Samuel 17, Martha 14.  So this can't be your family as Samuel was still in England.

James Sykes aged 14 was sentenced to 7 years at Huntingdon on 16 Jul 1847 - http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park18.html

If you check Cambridge Archives online catalogue at http://calm.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/ArchiveCatalogue/dserve.exe there are a number of references to James and Thomas Sykes being admitted to Huntingdon workhouse.

I think the James Sykes in Huntingdon in 1841 looks a better bet

David

Sorry if I've duplicated some things. I typed this before 2pm, went out for a game of pétanque, thinking I'd finish it when I got back. You were all too quick for me!

[suzard]

Hi Lynne

Welcome to Rootschat.

Brampton baptisms haven't been extracted onto the IGI or BVRI, nor was the LDS allowed to film the parish register. What you've seen on the IGI is a member submission, which range in quality from well researched to pure fiction. The one that you've found, presumably the one baptised on 23 Apr 1833, looks to be towards the more reliable end of the scale.

The trouble is, he's not yours, if yours was transported in 1846/7.

In 1841 living in Brampton were James and Sarah Sykes, with children Harriet 20, Elearn 15, David 15, George 15, Ann 13, James 11, Sarah 10, Samuel 8, Martha 5. No sign of a Thomas.

In 1851 still in Brampton, James 56, Ann 23, Sarah 20, Samuel 17, Martha 14.  So this can't be your family as Samuel was still in England.

James Sykes aged 14 was sentenced to 7 years at Huntingdon on 16 Jul 1847 - http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park18.html



I think the James Sykes in Huntingdon in 1841 looks a better bet

David

Sorry if I've duplicated some things. I typed this before 2pm, went out for a game of pétanque, thinking I'd finish it when I got back. You were all too quick for me!

Thomas Sykes was sentenced to 7 yrs transportation at the same time as James

I think the family I posted in 1851 are most probable (parents William/Mary

It looks like their children were born in various parts of Huntingdonshire -some of them in Brampton


Suz

[bedfordshire boy]

I think the family I posted in 1851 are most probable (parents William/Mary

Suz

I agree Suz

[mrshoggy]

Hi all and thanks for your helpful replies. it is so much appreciated.    Have looked over & over at James/Sarah's family but think David & Suz are right.  Samuel, on his convict indent stated his father as William, his own name being given as Samuel.  There was a bro George and as mentioned, Thomas.  However, in Tasmania, in 1873 he (James/Sam) was further charged with sheep stealing (a charge which was dismissed) and his indent makes note that he was using his name as James.  He used James it seems from his arrival in Tas.  James' eldest son was named William James and one of his daughters, Elizabeth. (he had 12 children).   It seems I can rule out James/Sarah's family, simply becos both James & Samuel were still in UK in 1851.  James was definitely not in UK then.  He was transported on the Blenheim 3.  Am unable to locate Thomas after mention on James/Samuel's indent that his brother Thomas had come with him from Millbank(?) Thomas wld have been abt 9, so I wonder if he was transported?   Am not sure who the John Shelton/Shilton was but he too was charged with larceny at one time.  Just one more question if I may Suz?  In 1851, was Mary listed as "blind", Was this as in cannot see.  It would explain a lot of family history....
Again, so many many thanks.
Lynne in Tassie