Pre 1830 information

[NEW ENGLAND]

Saturday 3rd September 2011 5.00p.m.

Hello Linell and Philweeks,

Thank you both for your emails.  Sorry about not putting details - must try harder! 
My gr.gr.grandfather/grandmother:
BENJAMIN WILLLIAMS and HANNAH WILLIAMS (nee Davis)
They were married at St.Mary's Church, Kidderminster on 27th June 1830


Details from Marriage Register:-
Benjamin Williams of This Parish, a Bachelor and
Hannah Davis  of This Parish, a Spinster
were married in this Church by Banns with Consent of Parents, this
Twenty-Seventh Day of June in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty.
By me, T.Cook,  Curator
This Marriage was solemnized between us ( Benjamin Williams
                                                                    ( Hannah Davis  her mark X

In the Presence of  ( Charlotte Rowley  her Mark X
                               ( Thos. Andrews


They are on the 1851 census living in Highley with their 3 sons and 4 daughters:-
Edwin,  James,  Sarah,  Mary,  Emma,  Benjamin, Leah.


I am trying to trace the parents of Benjamin and Hannah.

Many thanks for all your help.

Kind regards
NEW ENGLAND

[linell]

Hi New England, do you have an idea as to when Benjamin was born?  I did a search on the IGI for 1810 plus and minus 10 years, and there are a lot for Shropshire, Staffordshire and Worcestershire.  At a guess I would think his father was either an Edwin or a James, family names are usually carried on. 

Linell.

[NEW ENGLAND]

Saturday 3rd September 2011 6.20p.m.

Hello Linell,

I'm not sure of his birth date but the 1861 census gives it as 1811 and his place of birth as Warfield, Shropshire - which I think should be WORFIELD.

The 1881 census shows he is widowed aged 70, born Worfield, Shropshire
living with his son Benjamin and Grandson William.

I think that 1810/1811 is probably correct, but there aren't any certificates available for these years are there?

Kind regards
NEW ENGLAND

[Jaybeebuzz]

BENJAMIN WILLLIAMS and HANNAH WILLIAMS (nee Davis)
They were married at St.Mary's Church, Kidderminster on 27th June 1830
in Highley, Shropshire.

New England, I'm a bit confused. Were they married at St Mary's Church, Kidderminster (which is in Worcestershire) or were they married in Highley (Shropshire)? It can't be both. 

Julie

[NEW ENGLAND]

Sunday 4th September 2011

Hello Julie,

They were married at St.Mary's. Kidderminster.   Sorry for this mix-up; it was when I was re-arranging paragraphs and I missed this error.

Sorry, and thank you for your email.

Kind regards
NEW ENGLAND

[NEW ENGLAND]

Sunday 4th September 2011

Hello All,

I have just been looking through my papers and have found the Death Certificate for Benjamin Williams -
He died 31st October 1889  Aged 88 yrs.
at Button Bridge, Kinlet.
Informant was Benjamin George (Son-in-Law)  husband of Leah Williams.

This makes his birth year 1801 and not 1811 as given on all the census returns.  I know we should allow for errors but 10 years??

Does this mean that the Benjamin Williams on the 1881 census mentioned in my posting yesterday is a different one?

How do I resolve this please?

Kind regards
NEW ENGLAND

[trish1120]

Benjamin is consistent with his year and pob of Birth on 1851/1861/1871/1881 Census.
The info given on the Death Cert is only what the informant thinks, and can be wrong unless the informant is extremely close to the deceased.

I am a little confused re the Marriage in 1830 also.
The first Child in 1851 Census was born 1829.
Edwin also says in 1881 he was born c 1828.
Did you get Hannahs maiden name from a Childs Birth Cert?

Now do you have the 1841 Census?
This is the one I found as they should be in Highley in 1841

1841 Census
Highley, Shropshire
HO107/922/1/HIGHLEY
Benjn WILLIAMS, 30, Tailor
Hannah, 30
Wm, 10 (could be Edwin described as Wm, was his name misheard?)
Tho, 5
James, 4
Sarah, 2

1851 they have;
EDWIN, 1829, born Billingsley
JAMES, 1838, Highley
SARAH, 1840, Highley
MARY, 1842, Highley
EMMA, 1844, Highley
BENJAMIN, 5, Highley
LEAH, 1, Highley

I can only find 1 Davis born Kinlet c 1805 +/- 2yrs on FreeREG;
WILLIAM, 31 Jan 1807 to WILLIAM/ANNE + a MARY to them 1810

Sorry more questions than answers.

Trish

[NEW ENGLAND]

Monday 5th September 2011

Hello Trish,
Thank you for your email.  I too am confused! 
I thought the details on the death certificate would be accurate.  The informant was his son-in-law and Benjamin was obviously living with him when he died.   Kinlet village is only a few miles from Highley and it would be natural for him to go and live with his daughter Leah.
I do have the 1841 census and the 1851,61,71,81.

The first son - Wm. on 1841 census and Edwin on 1851 census is probably the same person. 
He could have been born before his parents married
He could have been a relative's son they 'adopted'
He could have been from a previous marriage.

I think I had Hannah's maiden name from an advanced search of Family History.org.   She was born at Kinlet.

The problem is trying to find recorded proof of this information - hence my original query.  I just don't know where people search for such information.

Thank you for your help.

Kind regards
NEW ENGLAND

[philheeks]

Hi New England

I would never have got the info to try & do a look up at Worcester History Centre had it not been for my cousin Julie (jaybeebuzz) as she sent me the info by text.
This is far from the info that I like to send as a look up result but hope that it may help a bit.

This is the nearest that I can find for a baptism of what may be your Benjamin in the registers of St Mary Kidderminster
23 AUG 1808 Benjamin s/o Stephen/Letitia Williams

I then looked at the marraige books to see if their marraige had been recorded in the index but the only one that I could find in them that would fit is at Old Swinford, WOR
page 64 No 253 by Banns 17 MAR 1800
Stephen Williams (B) = Letitia Walters (S)
Wits Samuel Walters, Theophene Walters.  Rector Thomas P. Foley

I was sunable to find Benjamin & the family on the 1841 or 51 census & had little to go on so please dont treat this info as fact, I know in looks very little but it took me just over 2 hours to find


All the very best

Phil