Thats it seagers,! all it needs is the right prompt and things start coming back, I suppose at 82 it,s expected that memory needs a bit of exercise to keep it going, as I live in weston-s-Mare, will probably try to get across and spend a couple of days in Cardiff and go to the library and look things up, give me a chance to have a look around at some of my past place, although I understand that my school, spltt boys, is long gone, ahhhhh memories, what would we do without them, Thanks for the info. regards, Mike Evans