David Grierson

[JunoH]

gnu, you are a wee gem.  Imagine remembering a thread from 2007??! 

Interesting to read the story about why daughters may have been named Jacobina.  In the case of Jacobina Carruthers, it appears she was named after her grandmother, Jacobina Byers, who was born around 1745-1750.

[Johnner Kid]

Thought I would just do a search of the DGFHS database of twenty-four thousand MIs to see how many hits I got on Jacobina and Robina as a forename.
Result =  Jacobina 11 MIs  : Robina 78 MIs

May be of interest -- then again maybe NOT  !
Sy
PS
Here is the Ruthwell MI for Jacobina BYERS but you probably have it already:
In Memory of
Jacobina BYERS, spouse to William CARRUTHERS in Denbiegate, who died 15th April 1794 age 43 years
Also her grandchildren:
David BUCHAN and Henry CLARK, who died in infancy
Also William CARRUTHERS, who died at Bowerhouse Cottage 7th January 1824 age 77 years
Also Thomas CARRUTHERS, their son, who died 9th October 1850 age 78 years

And here is a second Jacobina in Ruthwell. 
The Carruthers family name and Bowerhouse Cottage also mentioned, so it looks connected back to your intial post.
Hope this doesn't muddy any waters for you.
In Memory of  Charlotte CARRUTHERS, who died at Bowerhouse Cottage 29th April 1852 age 77 years 
Also Jacobina POPPLEWELL, her daughter, who died at Dalswinton 24th June 1864 age 64 years 
And of Mary CARRUTHERS, who died at Collin 1st June 1856 age 74 years 
Also of Elizabeth CARRUTHERS, who died at Glencaple Quay 10th December 1859 age 77 years 
Also Margaret CARRUTHERS, who died at Bowerhouse Cottage 22nd April 1821 age 39 years 
Also John CARRUTHERS, who died at Bowerhouse Cottage 12th September 1824 age 52 years 
Also David CARRUTHERS, who  died at Bowerhouses 5th November 1893 age 18 months

[Hannahville]

Thanks JunoH. Agree that Jacobina and Robina appear to be the same as too much of a coincidence otherwise. The manse mentioned in your email is Mount Kedar at Mouswald near Dumfries Home at one time of Dr Henry Duncan founder of the Savings Bank movement.

[Hannahville]

Have just found a clincher re Jacobina and Robina Issue

David Grierson son of David and Jacobina Grierson is shown as son of Jacobina on his birth certificate in 1859 but on his death certificate in 1870 is shown as son of David and Robina

[JunoH]

Perfect.  Thank you!   

[Hannahville]

David Grierson and Jacobina Grierson-daughter Grace Hill Grierson born 1861-died 1870-death certificate  mother" Robina"

Cannot trace any birth record for my grandfather James Carruthers Grierson born 1854-1855. Not on Scottish People-If born in 1854 before or after parent marriage July 1854? Any suggestions would be welcome

[JunoH]

I wish I had better news, but I can't find anything either 

Even searching for James Carruthers - in case he was registered in that name before they were married - using wildcards for the spelling ... nothing.

Also tried looking on scotsorigins http://www.origins.net/ScotsOrigins/SOSearchBC.aspx but nothing matched.  Tried inputting just his mother's name (as both Jacobina and Robina Carruthers), again nothing.

On the plus side (for me) I found another 3 *offspring I never knew about, and also found that some of their birth records had their Mother's name as Jacobina and others had Robina.  Like so:-

1856  Janet (Jacobina)
1857  John (Robina)
1859  David (Jacobina)
1861  Grace Hill* (Jacobina)
1863  Mary Ann (Robina)
1865  William* (Robina)
1867  Elisabeth (Robina)
1869  Wilhelmina* (Robina)
1871  Edgar (Robina)

Also, given that Jacobina was working at Ingliston Farm, New Abbey in 1851 (a spooky coincidence for me, as its the same farm where my Grandfather died in 1939 while ploughing the fields there), I checked Kirkcudbrightshire for James' birth, and also Lochmaben area as that's where David Grierson was working in 1851.  Once again, zilch. 

Hope someone else has better luck than I did.

[JunoH]

Found a little more info that ties MARY EDGAR from this MI -

"In Memory of Thomas EDGAR, late tenant in Aiket, and Elder in this Parish, who died 12th February 1790 age 45 years
Also Helen DICKSON, his spouse, who died 22nd May 1783 age 35 years
Also William EDGAR, their son, who succeeded his father as tenant in Aiket, and died 25th November 1801 age 33 years
Also Margaret RITCHIE, his spouse, who died 30th December 1830 age 67 years
Also Mary EDGAR, daughter of above Thomas EDGAR, who died at Thwaitehead 16th January 1836 age 60 years"

to David Grierson.  In the 1841 Ruthwell census, the following were living at "Thwaite Head", Ruthwell:-

David Grierson, age 38, (Joiner), Thwaite Head
Jannet Grierson, age 38, Thwaite Head
Hellen Grierson, age 13 - Thwaite Head
Elizabeth Grierson, age 11, Thwaite Head
David Grierson, age 8, Thwaite Head
Margaret Grierson, age 5, Thwaite Head
Thomas Grierson, age 3, Thwaite Head
James Grierson, age 1, Thwaite Head

And for some strange reason, that info had never come up in my searches before and I've only just found it by chance on another website! 

[JunoH]

In case anyone is still on the hunt for Edgar Grierson b. 1871 Ruthwell, I now have his death record:-

He died 15 Feb 1930 at Kilmaurs, Ayrshire. Age '56yrs', Single. Railway Storeman. Usual Residence 38 Dean Street, Kilmarnock.

Parents: David Grierson, Railway Surfaceman (deceased) & Jacobina Grierson MS Carruthers (deceased).

Edgar was 'found dead on railway'. Last seen alive 8.45pm on railway between Kilmaurs Station and the Creamery.

Informant: Robert McWhirter, Police Constable, Kilmaurs.

The RCE (Register of Corrected Entries) report attached to the file records a verdict that he was 'Instantaneously killed by being struck by a passing train (fracture of the skull)'.  It doesn't speculate as to whether it was accidental or otherwise.

The records have him as 3 years younger than he would have been, but fortunately I got desperate and tried 3 years either side of his birth year.