Bullen-Buller or Sink

[Keith59]

Please can anyone help?
I have been doing my tree on ancestry.co for over 7yrs now but have come across a small hiccup,
My 5th Great Granfather Richard Woolger (b)1746 Ockham (d) 1810 Ockham, married a Maria ?
Every one is saying that her last name was Sink, But I have been in contact with the Sink family relatives,
and Maria Sink did come from Ockham and married twice,
But not to my 5th Great Grandfather Richard Woolger,
On the Marriage Banns for my 4th Great Grandfather
Richard Woolger (b)25 Aug 1782 Ockham, (d)9 Apr 1855 Wisley, married
Mary Bullen (b) 2 Sep 1781 Ockham (d) 2 Aug 1829 Ockham, but on the marriage records it stats Buller?
At the bottom left it shows the signerhers of my 4th Great Grandparents,
and on the right it shows the witness as Richard Woolger & Maria Bullen?,
So I need to know if my 5th great grandmother was a Bullen & If my 4th Great Grandmother was a Bullen or Buller, and if your confused please think how i fill,

Many Thanks for looking and any help.
Keith59

[Annette7]

Have seen your other thread re. spelling of the surname Woolger.   As was pointed out to you, most people were illiterate in those days and any surname was written down and spelt at the whim of the cleric involved who would spell it as it sounded to him.   I note in the Ockham records that Woolger is spelt in a variety of ways.

You state that Richard Woolger was married to a Maria and that others say her name was Sink.

However, having found the marriage and baptisms of children her name was Mary and not Maria.

Marriage on familysearch and transcribed as follows:

Rich. Wolger married Mary Sink 14/9/1778 Ockham

The following baptisms all show the mother as Mary and not Maria:

James Woolger bp.22/11/1778 Ockham, parents Richard and Mary
Mary Wolger bp.14/1/1781             ditto
Richard Wolger bp.25/8/1782         ditto
John Woolger bp.20/8/1786            ditto
William Wolgar bp.2/8/1789            ditto
Jane Wolgar bp.6/6/1791 Ockham, dau. of Richard (mothers name not shown)

As to whether Bullen or Buller - I would say it is definitely Bullen.   There was a large Bullen family in Ockham but no Buller's.   Indeed, the marriage entry on Familysearch shows Rich. Woolger married Mary Bullen 28/12/1807 Ockham.   If you have copies of the documents it may be that the last letter of her surname was just badly written on one of them or has faded slightly with the passage of time. 

Annette   

[Keith59]

Hi Annette7,

Thanks for the info and help yes they couldn't spell to save there lives, lol..
Yes my 4th Great Grandfather Richard Woolger 25 Aug 1782 - 9 Apr 1855
Did get married to  Mary Bullen 2 Sep 1781 - 2 Aug 1829 married on 28 Dec 1807,
But it's was really the first Richard Woolger 1746 - 1810 married to Maria ?
As someone ales on Ancestry.co has Maria Sink from Ockham down as married to two other Gentleman!
and not My 5th Great Grandfather,Could there have been two Maria Sink's??.
Or could he just have the wrong Maria sink down in his tree!!,
I just wont to get it Right, 
I am also having trouble finding any think before my 5th Great Grandparent's.
Sorry to be a pain, looks like i need more help than I fort.

Many Thanks for all your Time and your Help.
Keith

[Valda]

Hi

On what records do you have Richard Woolger married to a Maria?

Annette has given a marriage of a Richard Woolger in Ockham in 1778 to a Mary Sink and children baptised to that couple, parents consistently named as Richard and Mary.


Mary Sink married Richard Woolger

MARY SINK
RICH WOLGER 
Marriage:  14 SEP 1778   Ockham, Surrey

and Maria Sink married Richard Tickner
 
MARIA SINK
RICH TICKNER 
Marriage:  08 NOV 1777   Ockham, Surrey

MARIA SINK
Christening:  24 FEB 1759   Ockham, Surrey
Father:  JAS SINK   
Mother:  JANE


There is a possible burial for Richard Tickner aged 23 in Ockham 11th July 1780
After Richard Tickner's death there is a possible remarriage in Ockham for Maria (the register would have to be checked to see whether this Maria was a widow)

MARIA TICKNER 
GEO STILES   
Marriage:  15 OCT 1781   Ockham, Surrey

There is a claim here she is buried in West Clandon (there is certainly a burial there for a Maria Styles 7th October 1796). There are children baptised in West Clandon - parents George and Maria Styles. West Clandon is about 4 miles from Ockham.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/sink/messages/375.html
 
   
Is there any evidence that Mary Sink, the wife of Richard Woolger, like Maria Sink was born and baptised in Ockham and (according to trees on the internet) buried there in 1835? I can see no evidence for the burial in Ockham. There appears to be a possible burial in Wisley (about 3 miles away) of a Mary Woolyer on 4th January 1835 aged 80? If that is her and her age is accurate on her burial then her birth year would be circa 1754/5.


Regards

Valda

[Keith59]

Hello Valda,

Just taken form Ancestry.co,

According to the IGI James SINK and his wife Jane had the following children baptized in the parish of Ockham, Surrey England:

Maria – 24 Feb 1759
Sarah – 2 May 1761
John – 24 Sep 1763
Charlotte – 3 Mar 1765
John - 30 Oct 1768

Information gleaned from various sources indicates that:

- Maria married Richard Tickner in Ockham in 1777 and that Richard died in 1780 without leaving any children;

- The widowed Maria Tickner married George Stiles (Styles) in Ockham in 1781 and died in 1796 being buried at West Clandon, Surrey. Children from this marriage, all baptized in West Clandon, were: George (1786), Richard (1789), William (1792), and Betty (1795)

Thanks

Laurie
Dunedin, NZ

You can see my Predicament!!! nothing i find seems to add up
Regards
Keith

[Keith59]

Hi again Valda,
Just how many times did this woman get married? lol..

Thanks
Keith

[Annette7]

I don't know how Valda and I can make it any clearer.

Richard Woolger's wife was a Mary Sink, not a Maria Sink.   Although sites like familysearch tend to bring up entries for both names, as with Ann and Hannah, they were generally 2 separate names.

So you need to be searching for a Mary Sink, not a Maria.  

Ignore other trees, forget about Maria Sink as she's clearly not the one.

Annette

[Keith59]

Hi
Sorry the pennys just droped, it takes time, but i am 52 lol...
I'v got it now Mary not maria,

Many Many Thanks
Keith

[Valda]

Hi

Two different women. Two different ages and years of birth.

Maria Sink 1759-1796
Baptised Ockham parents James and Jane Sink (as Maria)
Buried West Clandon 1796 as Maria (no age given in register)
Maried first Richard Tickner 1777 Ockham as Maria Sink (spinster)
Married second George Styles 1781 Ockham as Maria Tickner (widow)
Children baptised West Clandon 1786-1795 - mother's name Maria

Mary Sink circa 1754/5-1835
baptism and birth place unknown
Married Richard Woolger 1778 Ockham as Mary Sink (spinster)
Buried Wisley 1835 aged 80 as Mary
Children baptised Ockham 1778-1791 - mother's name Mary


When widows remarried they did not marry in their maiden names they married in their then legal surname which was their deceased husband's. The marriage entries in the Ockham register will show whether the 1777, 1778 and 1781 marriages were for widows or spinsters.



Regards

Valda