census look up please!!

[Pels.]

Hoping something will eventually fit together Viv ! 

Here's the marriage for Joseph N Brown :

Marriage : 4th September 1873
Joseph Norman Brown
Approx birth year : 1848
Aged 25 years
Name of Spouse : Elizabeth Kendall
Father's Name:    William Henry Brown
Father's Name of Spouse : William Kendall
Parish Church of St Barnabas, Liverpool

Pels.

[Pels.]

I've found this ! 

Baptism Date : 2nd October 1882
Ada Brown,
Parents :
Joseph Norman Brown and Elizabeth Brown
Abode : Exley Street
Trade or Profession : Letter Carrier
Birth date : 11th September
Parish Church of St Peter, Liverpool

Pels.

[Pels.]

If this is your family, which I'm really hoping it is :

Christening : 12th January 1851
Joseph Norman Brown
Birth Date, approx 1850
Names of Parents:    
William Henry Brown
Sarah Elizabeth Brown
Father's profession : Joiner
Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
In the borough of Tower Hamlets

Pels.

[betyty1712]

Hi all - you have been busy!!!

I think you must be right - I am on the right track with Joseph the postman. Really glad about that -  maybe I won't have to delete half of my tree after all !!! It was finding the Joseph B, school caretaker on the census that put the wind up me!!
Bit of a coincidence - 2 Joseph B's in the same city at the same time & both with a daughter named Ada.
I'm feeling a bit more reassured now, but would still love to be able to find a little bit of info that told me for definite I'm on the right track.

Also - a couple of niggling bits of doubt still there!
On all the birth records - his own & those of ALL his numerous offspring & also all census returns I've found he's Joseph Norman B, or at least Joseph N B, but on Ada's marriage cert, it's signed Joseph Brown. His occupation is that of school caretaker, whereas on the 1911 census, he's a retired postman. No mention of a school caretaker. This has been nagging away at me for the last 2 years  - I've searched & searched & still come back to him every time!!

I keep hoping if I post enough messages that I'll come across someone else who has him on their tree - he's not on any of the trees I've searched so far though. I'll keep on trying - you'd think with all his offspring that SOMEONE would be looking into their family history!!
Again, many, many thanks for all your efforts!

Regards,
Kath
PS - The James Brown that you found was from Alice's 1st marriage - he was born James E. Dalrymple. I'm wondering if he could be the uncle my mother talked about as being lost with the Lusitania. He's the only name on the crew list that I've found that ties in with my tree, but it's too common a name to make the assumption.

[Pels.]

PS - The James Brown that you found was from Alice's 1st marriage - he was born James E. Dalrymple. I'm wondering if he could be the uncle my mother talked about as being lost with the Lusitania. He's the only name on the crew list that I've found that ties in with my tree, but it's too common a name to make the assumption.

James Dalyrmple, Refrigeration Greaser - wasn't lost on the Lusitania Kath, he was saved ! 

Pels.

[Pels.]

James Dalyrmple, Refrigeration Greaser - wasn't lost on the Lusitania Kath, he was saved ! 

But you already knew that :

Hi _ I've just come across the site while looking for a crew list for the Lusitania when she sank.
I'm trying to find my mother's "favourite uncle" who she always said was lost when the ship went down. I don't have a definite name, but think it's possibly a James E. Dalrymple. I found a James Dalrymple on a crew list online, but it appears he survived. I don't suppose there's a list of deaths related to the sinking, even if they died shortly aftrewards? According to the info I've seen, people were listed as survivors, so long as they were pulled out of the water alive, even though they may have died on the quayside.

Other possible names are Wlliam H. Brown; Albert; George or Joseph Brown, Benjamin; Henry or James Paley, but I think James Dalrymple is the most likley name.
Fingers crossed sombody out there can offer a bit of info!!

Pels.

[blodwen]

Wow Pels, congratulations on finding the baptism of Ada Brown, b. Liverpool with parents. (Where did you find it - Family Search?)

Also the birth reg you found earlier fits in with the time of the baptism. 

Kath,
As for Joseph N Brown being a postman, and Ada's marriage cert. having him just as Joseph Brown with occupation school caretaker (maybe she didn't know that he had a second name nor which occupation he had)
- if that is bothering you too much,then I would suggest getting the birth cert. for the Ada Brown that Pels has found. 

Might put your mind at rest and then you can get on with the next part of the search.

Viv

P.S.:  As to the information that your mother's favourite uncle was lost when the Lusitania went down, it might be a twist of what really happened.  Just that he was on the Lusitania but survived, as Pels as said.
My mother always thought that one of her uncles served on the HMS Hood and was lost when it went down.  Turned out that none of her uncles werved in the navy (as far as I can find out at the moment)

[betyty1712]

Hi again - WELL - yippee!!!!
I've just had a contact out of the blue from a genes member asking for info on James Dalrymple!!! Again - YIPPEE!!!!
She doesn't seem have quite as much detail as I have on the family, but seems she has a few family members to ask for info......
So - fingers crossed!
She also seems to think we're on the right track with Joseph the postie.
I'm wondering if the James D on the Lusitania is the same James D as I have on my tree, as he died very young. Maybe some illness due to the sinking??  Maybe my Mum's memory
wan't quite so good as she thought it was & he lived for a few years after the boat went down!! I'm sure she said he drowned, but then I was young when my mother died - it's possible that he was ill & died later of some complication due to the sinking.

 I've just sent a message to ask this new contact what she knows  about James D & I'm waiting for a reply with bated breath!!!

Also - I thought a bit of a recap on my Ada might just be useful - if you're still happy to go on searching that is! I'm still very curious to know where she was on the 1901 census.
Here goes:-

Ada B. born Liverpool, father's name Joseph Brown,school caretaker.

Married George Henry Paley(age 30) 31 March 1906 in Bradford.
Occupation barmaid & living at the Airedale Hotel, Otley Rd Bradford. Ada's age 25.

1911 census family living at 7 Montrose st, Bradford(Manningham subsection)Ada aged 27, George41. Daughters Katherine age 4 & Elizabeth age 3. There was also another daughter - Annie, born 1909, but she died shortly after birth.

Ada died 1935, age 53, in Bradford.

Well - that's about the sum total of info I have on Ada. I know the ages don't add up, but at least I'm sure that all this really IS my Ada!!!
Again, many thanks for your help!
Regards,
Kath

[blodwen]

Hi Kath,

glad to hear that you have a contact that might be able to help you even further.

As I mentioned in one of my former posts, I could not find Ada in the 1901 census  - whatever I put in. Maybe your new contact knows more.

You cannot always go with ages given - as you say yourself, Ada was 25 in 1906 when she married and then in 1911 (5 years later) she gave her birth as 27! 
I really think you should buy the brith cert. that Pels found. 

Viv