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Re: Lesanne Scavenger hunt August 2011 .. part 2...
« Reply #18 on: Friday 26 August 11 19:20 BST (UK) »
Les From Part 1 Elizabeth Williams grandaughter.

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oh snap - comming at it from a different direction I have come up with the same family group as Spider

I was looking for a likely Richard to be the one in the memorial card in 1878 as it now can't be Richard of Richard and esther who died before 1871.  So I went looking for the area of the cottage in Pennant to see sho was there in 1871,  it is hard to be deffinate as it's not named but that household is in the very close area

I found Richard the elder in 1861 same area

Richd Williams    59 born LLanwllywil
Mary Williams    49 born Chirbury Shrops
Richd Williams    8 son
Emma Williams    6 dau
Elizth Williams    9 grandau
John Edwards    25 stepson

So it looks like a second marriage for Richard


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Re: Lesanne Scavenger hunt August 2011 .. part 2...
« Reply #19 on: Friday 26 August 11 19:23 BST (UK) »
1861...
Charles Williams abt 1856 Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales
 Son of John ,Ellen.
 Pool, Montgomeryshire

... RG9 4258 50 61 ...... Need some help here plz....I can't see 'em on this ref!!!

This is the correct reference which shows the page: RG 9/4258/49/60 but as I said earlier this week, that Charles is with his family in 1871 RG10/5625/2/3.
He is a bricklayer. He is married with a family in 1881.
From first part:
Right - Lloyd Charles Williams
1901: RG13; Piece: 1453; Folio: 66; Page: 7
1891: RG12; Piece: 1029; Folio 11; Page 16

At the moment, no sign of Lloyd prior to 1891,
1881: Possible Charles in Lancashire RG11; Piece: 3805; Folio: 96; Page: 50 (as found by Jaywit) unmarried provisions dealer, bn Montgomery
1871: No Lloyd, but a few Charles candidates (inc the one with Frances and THomas)
1861: ?RG9; Piece: 4251; Folio: 21; Page: 3

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Re: Lesanne Scavenger hunt August 2011 .. part 2...
« Reply #20 on: Friday 26 August 11 19:38 BST (UK) »
Stupid question I know, but do you have the marriage cert for Lloyd Charles Williams to Mary Anne?  Does that give John as his father?

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Re: Lesanne Scavenger hunt August 2011 .. part 2...
« Reply #21 on: Friday 26 August 11 21:38 BST (UK) »
... good question..thought I had.. but it's his sons cert.

  They married in Sept 1888 Brentford 3a 124... would that be in London Parishes maybe.
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Re: Lesanne Scavenger hunt August 2011 .. part 2...
« Reply #22 on: Friday 26 August 11 21:58 BST (UK) »
... good question..thought I had.. but it's his sons cert.

  They married in Sept 1888 Brentford 3a 124... would that be in London Parishes maybe.

No it's not sadly.

All this is so difficult. If you have his son's certificate, then at some point, you have looked at the possibility that Lloyd Charles Williams is the Charles who is with Frances Turner.
I can understand the need to re-examine information when there is no definite conclusion but it looks as though the same stuff is being churned out as 'new' in each thread with little reference to what has been found before.
There seems to be no structure to the search or evaluation of what is known/or needed based on findings.
I do understand your frustrations as there are no real leads to connect the various people. What have you got recorded already re Lloyd Charles Williams?

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Re: Lesanne Scavenger hunt August 2011 .. part 2...
« Reply #23 on: Friday 26 August 11 22:04 BST (UK) »
Heywood I have to agree.

We need to know what proof Lesanne or other family members have about the various people, for instance Jane can be traced. Has anyone got one of her marriage certificates? If so who does she say her father was?

This is the sort of information we need.
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Re: Lesanne Scavenger hunt August 2011 .. part 2...
« Reply #24 on: Friday 26 August 11 23:13 BST (UK) »
Hello Heywood and Jaywit et al...  ;)

#I only have bapt's for an Esther and a Jane at Forden workhouse, House of Industry. To a Mary Williams servant. That's it, no more info.
#They correspond to the girls with Thomas and Frances as 1871 census shows.
# The Charles (nephew) I thought, might link to a possible sibling to Frances.

Hence this Scavenger pre 1871 for Frances MA and Charles.

The LLoyd Charles Williams is on another Turner/Norris cousin's tree.
It seems now to be coincidental.

Another coincidence is the other Gt Grannie is also Kate Williams.. hails from High Wycombe.
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Re: Lesanne Scavenger hunt August 2011 .. part 2...
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 28 August 11 04:34 BST (UK) »
Jumping in late..I will print part 1 and try to catch up..good thing I will be back at the cottage..had no idea so much would happen so fast.....silly me!!
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Re: Lesanne Scavenger hunt August 2011 .. part 2...
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 28 August 11 17:52 BST (UK) »
Hello Heywood and Jaywit et al...  ;)

#I only have bapt's for an Esther and a Jane at Forden workhouse, House of Industry. To a Mary Williams servant. That's it, no more info.
#They correspond to the girls with Thomas and Frances as 1871 census shows.
# The Charles (nephew) I thought, might link to a possible sibling to Frances.

Hence this Scavenger pre 1871 for Frances MA and Charles.


the girls are listed as step daughter and therefore should be step daughter /  daughter in law / adopted child of the head of the household who is Frances M husband so DFrances does appear to be Frances Mary as you have the chirstenings to confirm this

her marrige gives her father as Richard a coachman we need to find Richard Williams Coachman as near to the marriage date as possible.

we don' t know where Richard was from but we think he died in Berriew

are there any Williams witnesses to the marriage?  (i know this has been covered)
Esther we found in the previous census it doesnt seem to be any connection between esther and the familes she is with but has this been explored?

have you got the entry / discharge for forden workhouse ? does it survive?

Charles should be nephew to the head,  did he have a sister who married a Williams ?

have you found Frances bp.? d/o Richard circa 1835 montogmeryshire ? of course she could be under Mary
we only now he was a coachman when Frances married so Richard may not have been a coachman before this
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