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« on: Tuesday 23 August 11 16:42 BST (UK) »
Hi i am new on here.

I am researching the roots of the Buck family, and i have been told they were of Romany stock.

The family were hawkers/ general dealers and costermongers. They came from Shoreditch and Bethnal Green area of East London from about 1822 to 1900.
What i cant find is where they came from before 1822.
I have Thomas Buck (who married Caroline Smith, whose father was a horse dealer) born in 1822 in Shoreditch according to the 1851 census, and although i can find a number of Thomas Bucks in 1841, they all have a diffrent profession so are not the right one.
Does anyone know of where the Romanies came from before they lived in the Eastend of London? And are any of you ancestors to those Bucks?
thanks,
Dorsyb


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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 August 11 02:06 BST (UK) »
Hyah, New On Here. I'm Passing Through Again .....  ;D

 Robert Dawson, in his " A Romany In The Family ", records that he's found intermittent  records of the Buck surname being offered by Gypsys since 1656 to pretty much today.

 Places he's found it used being Derbyshire, Hampshire and Yorkshire.

 I knew settled Buck's in Hampshire, in the 19's. I'd suggest ye barking up the right tree here. I'm sure someone will be along, presently, to feed ye some more information.

 Stick around  :)

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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 August 11 14:25 BST (UK) »
hi. dorsyb, welcome. the bucks are a old romany family. and lived/live all over britain. in fact i was staying on a gypsy camp with a buck, a couple of years back, so they are still travelling. there are lots around skipton, gargrave, and north yorks. nice family. as to where they came from. as steve g says, by the way  he is a good saurce for info.  they came to this country in mid 1600s mainly from france, as they were hanging new born babies just for the romany breeding in them it was a capital crime, to be a gypsy in france. many came as refugees, as did many other people, for ethnic, religion, and many other types of persecution.    but give romany history a look, it can be interesting? romany  people came from the east thru europe, then england. the name gypsy came from where they camped, it was called little egypt, hence gypsy, lots stayed in epping forrest areas, and all over the south of england, including many around london. but to get back to your question about the bucks it can be hard to trace travellers back as they often did not register in a parish, so did not leave much in the way of records. by the way you had to register in a parish to work there at that time. i have traced my family back to around 1600, burslem staffs. but that was only because they sold/made earthenware, pottery. so often were in the same area. try looking at all the areas around the info you have. and look at other family names, as gypsy folk tend to use the womans family name at times. hope this is of help to you, good luck.  rob g
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 August 11 18:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks Stevie G and Rob G for the info, its all very interesting.
The Buck family is my husbands, and it was quite a surprise to him and his family when a distant Buck relative in Australia told him. This person originally came from Bethnal Green and remembered his gt granddad telling him when he was young that their family were Romanies.

So i will try all the womens names in the family, although very hard with the name Smith! lol

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« Reply #4 on: Monday 26 December 11 14:08 GMT (UK) »
I have ancestors named Thomas Buck b c1795 Shoreditch/Bethnal Green son Henry Geo b c 1816 m  Mary Jolliffe 1853 Bethnal Green. My father always said we were of Romany Gipsy Stock. Any help.

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 26 December 11 17:45 GMT (UK) »
hi Archie,

yes it could be of help, as your Henry George could be the brother of the Thomas Buck we have in 1822.

Do you know much about the family history? Where did you find the info on your Thomas born in 1795? ::)

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 26 December 11 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dorsyb

I found the info looking through Ancestry.co. Henry Geo Buck was born c1816. A widower, he was married to Mary Jolliffe b c1832. His father was Thomas, a Chairmaker.  On birth cert his father is shown as Thomas. I believe & his grandfather also Thomas. I have skeleton records of 2 Thomas Buck b 13.3.1784 christened St Leonards Shoreditch parents Thomas & Eleanor, & 23.12.1768 christened St Leonards, parents Thomas & Susanna. There is also believed sister Charlotte b 25.7.1780 christened St Leonards Shoreditch, parents Thomas & Eleanor. I also have record of a Thomas Buck b 10.4.78 Norfolk parents Thomas & Elizabeth. Also Thomas John b 7.12.1768 christened St St Leonards, parents Edward & Elisabeth.

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 22:35 GMT (UK) »
My great,great grandmother was called Catherine Emily Buck.Her birth was registered in  December 1881 in St Georges,Hanover Square district & later census reports show her as being from Pimlico & Belgravia London.I am having great difficulty finding out who her parents & birth family were because she appears to have been orphaned & was living with cousins in 1891,Thor & Katherine Remington. By 1901 she was with an aunt & uncle Richard & Emily Simpson.The family she lived with worked as brass founders/moulders.
Catherine married Frederick Rabbitt from St Mary Cray,Kent in 1902.Has anyone come across any Bucks living in the Pimlico/Belgravia area of London at this time ?has anyone come across Catherine Buck in their research ? What do those of you with Gypsy heritage knowledge think-is it likely that she was from a gypsy family ?We have felt that there is Romany gypsy blood in the family but we have not yet been able to find any direct links or proof.Thanks for your help

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 December 12 14:04 GMT (UK) »
Hello, I have the name Buck in my tree. My husband's 3xG Grandfather was William Clifton Buck, born in 1818 in Hoxton. He then moved to Canterbury where he married Charlotte Perkins and they had a daughter Emma Clifton Buck, who married Charles Pearce (husband's 2.G Grandfather). William is shown as a traveller on Emma's marriage certificate and in some census returns as a hawker.

DorsyB - I wonder if my William and your Thomas could be linked.

From the info I have it does sound like William is a Romany.
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