frank symonds(1855)married Mary Catherine?

[groom]

I can't see George Deadman on the 1891, but I can't find a death either.

[omega 1]

 

Seems to be sorted

[Isobelruss]

I want to know were Mary Catherine comes from.As she isnt Mary Catherine on any census Ive found

[groom]

Here's the Trodd family in 1861
RG9; Piece: 631; Folio: 132; Page: 13


John Trodd   46
Mary Trodd   46
Henry Trodd   19
William Trodd   17
Fany Trodd   15
Eliza Trodd   13
Mary Trodd   11
George Trodd   10
John Trodd   18
Emly Trodd   6
James Trodd   4
Thomas Trodd   2
Charles Trodd   11 MO

Henry can be found with his wife Clara and their family on the 1871, 1881and 1891 censuses living in Warblington, Hampshire. Clara was possibly Clara Pett as there is a Sidney Pett (stepson) with them.

[cecily3]

I appreciate all the info.you have given me.I shall explain a bit of this family line. Frank Symonds I believe was my g-grandfather."Groom" may well be right about that he & Mary were not married since no record seems to be recorded.I was keen to discover that lost census record because at one point,& I have records which were amassed by a professional researcher going back to the 1600`s & kindly sent to me by an American family who share my line,this group of families,Dedman,Trodd Symonds & Pledge(to a lesser degree) all originated in Sussex,in Agriculture & were involved, then many were found having relocated to Hampshire where I can pick up the census records for 1891,& they then are integrated by marriage & business once again.The 1891 census of 118 London Road,Waterlooville is this Frank & Mary Symonds,their son Frank born 1882 is my grandfather whom I remember well.He enlisted in the military at an early age & I have his whole career known.Walter(my g-uncle was married to Sarah Trodd & they set up another family enterprise as coal merchants in Portsmouth.Her father would be the Henry trodd you mention.I am aware of this history but I would like to discover that elusive census record because one time they were all in Sussex where for generations they had been farmers with good livings,then some went off to other countries,& my direct line gravitated across the sussex/hants border & took up a new self-employed living.Unfortunately the families,perhaps because they were so integrated,used similar names which makes it difficult.In my lifetime I can see the involvement of these families ,but I am hoping I can find who that"Mary" was & how she fits in.

[groom]

In my lifetime I can see the involvement of these families ,but I am hoping I can find who that"Mary" was & how she fits in.

Hi, I'm a bit confused here. I thought that we'd established that Mary Symonds was actually Mary Deadman nee Trodd? Frank is with the family in 1881 as a lodger. There is no death of a George Deadman between 1881 and 1891 as far as I can see, so it could be that Mary left her husband and set up home with Frank, calling herself Mary Symonds. This could explain why there is no marriage - they couldn't marry as she was still married to George.

What does it say on your grandfather's birth certificate - it should give his mother's previous names?

Jan

[omega 1]

I am confused the same as Jan, i thought Mary had been sorted.

omega

[Isobelruss]

And me.Also who was Mary Catherine you mentioned at the beginning?

[cecily3]

Sorry that you are confused,there were so many same names & the families so intermarried.Frank Simmonds is NOT the Frank Symonds.Also Mary  nee Trodd married to George Deadman are on the 1891 census,Mary`s pob being Southwick,living at portsdown view cosham.On the 1911 census(that I paid to view) they are both still there,again Mary`s pob being Southwick which is not Havant.Unfortunately I haven`t a copy of my grandfather`s birth cert. but I have his full military record & on enlisting gives his father`s name & address which was Jubilee Road Catherington which isn`t Cosham.Initially I went down the same route thinking that Frank Simmonds was the right man however I would have been surprised since I have never known any member of the family to spell the name that way,also they were for generations farmers as were the Dedmans,not a wood cutter ever appeared as a trade,& in Hampshire were involved in their own Laundry & coal merchants enterprises.You have all been so helpful but I think I shall have to take a trip back to UK to discover more locally.  kind regards Cecily3