Margaret LORKING c. 1817 Stratford, Essex

[mikeyr62]

Can anybody help me with this one?

I am trying to trace my great great grandmother.

She was born MARGARET LORKING and according to census returns was born c. 1817 in Stratford, Essex (although some census returns show her as being born in alternative locations). This is the spelling that is is shown on my great grandfather's birth certifificate although, I guess that it could actually be spelt differently and I have tried all variations on searches.

She married my great great grandfather William Tapley in Apr Qtr 1842 and the marriage was registered St James Westminster, London (Vol.1 Page 111) - I do not know the church they married in.

They moved to Leighton Buzzard and subsequently to Luton and had a number of children.

She was committed to The Three Counties Asylum in Bedfordshire at at some point after the 1881 census, and subsequently died and was buried there in 1895 (on the 1891 census she is merely listed as MT and is classified as a lunatic).

I cannot find her birth anywhere - I have tried ancestry and familysearch but can find nothing.
Any help would be much appreciated in trying to put some meat on the bones that I currently have.

Mike

[Sandymc47]

Hi Mike

Had a look for Margaret for you but at the moment cannot find anyone called Lorking, that means a Margaret or any others.  Could have been mistranscribed
from Larking but no Lorking.

I did find a marriage for a William Topley to a Margaret in 1842

William Topley married Margaret Smithers on 31st January 1842.
St Marys London.
If your birth date for Margaret is correct she would be 25 which was
a few years over the marrying age so maybe she had been married before

regards Sandymc

[jacques]

Do you have the Marriage Certificicate for Wm and Margaret in 1842 . If so what is her Father's name

[jacques]

me again

BMD Marriage June qtr 1842 ref St James Westminster  1.  111
Wm Tapley and Margaret Lorking

[mikeyr62]

Could have been mistranscribed from Larking but no Lorking.

Possibly, but it is quite plainly written as LORKING on my great grandfather's birth certificate.

Thanks anyway.

Mike

[mikeyr62]

Do you have the Marriage Certificicate for Wm and Margaret in 1842 . If so what is her Father's name

I don't have it as yet. It is on my list of certificates to buy but at present, money is very tight

Mike

[mikeyr62]

me again

BMD Marriage June qtr 1842 ref St James Westminster  1.  111
Wm Tapley and Margaret Lorking

Thanks. This is what I said in my original posting.

Mike

[Valda]

Hi

There are other Lorkings on censuses giving a birthplace of Stratford

e.g.

1851 census HO107 1768 folio 71
High Street West Ham
George Lorking 29 Head Married Tailor Stratford Essex
Harriet Lorking 25 Wife Married Wennington Essex
Harriet Lorking 1 Daughter Stratford Essex
Infant Lorking 3 days Son Stratford Essex
plus 1 apprentice and 1 nurse

On the 1861 census there is also William Lorking aged 41 a leather cloth painter/silk printer (on 1851 census) and his family in West Ham.


The two brothers were with their parents on the 1841 census

1841 census HO107 323/12 folio 7
Near the turnpike West Ham Essex
William Lorkin 45 Tailor not born in county
William Lorkin 20 Silk printer born in county
George Lorkin 15 Tailor born in county
Peter Lorkin 13 born in county
Margarit Lorkin 45 not born in county
Emma Lorkin 6 born in county
adult ages, those over 15, are usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census.


William junior's marriage


27th December 1841 Holy Trinity Minories Liberty of the Tower of London
William Lorking Full Age Bachelor Printer Spital Square William Lorking Tailor
Hannah Pigrome Full Age Spinster Spital Square John Pigrome Clerk in the West Middlesex Docks
Both signed
Witnesses Charles Ashbourn, Margaret Lorking and Caroline Pigrome


Margaret Lorking senior was with her son William in West Ham on the 1861 census. She was aged 65, a widower born Guildford Surrey.

Deaths Dec 1872   
Lorking  Margaret  82  W. Ham  4a 31


The 1842 marriage for Margaret Lorking will confirm whether her father was William and a tailor. You can obtain her asylum records from Bedfordshire Record Office. Doctors of the period often made some reference to family member/s in asylum patients' records since they were often interested in proving a genetic link, though the general held belief at the time from the male medical  profession and society in general was that women were weaker of mind.


The Lorking baptisms may have taken place at All Saints West Ham (if Anglican) as this could be to early for an Anglican church at Stratford. Though the orginal registers are held at Essex Record Office (you will be able to view them - for a price by the end of the month

see this topic

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,543364.0.html

The London borough of Newham archives which hold microfilm copies of the registers in the area have also indexed them.

http://www.newham.gov.uk/EntertainmentandLeisure/Libraries/LibraryReferenceServices/ArchivesAndLocalHistory/Servicesatthearchivesandlocalstudieslibrary.htm


Sometimes if you can't go, at least at present through the direct line, looking for siblings can help.


Regards

Valda

[mikeyr62]

Hi

There are other Lorkings on censuses giving a birthplace of Stratford

e.g.

1851 census HO107 1768 folio 71
High Street West Ham
George Lorking 29 Head Married Tailor Stratford Essex
Harriet Lorking 25 Wife Married Wennington Essex
Harriet Lorking 1 Daughter Stratford Essex
Infant Lorking 3 days Son Stratford Essex
plus 1 apprentice and 1 nurse

On the 1861 census there is also William Lorking aged 41 a leather cloth painter/silk printer (on 1851 census) and his family in West Ham.


The two brothers were with their parents on the 1841 census

1841 census HO107 323/12 folio 7
Near the turnpike West Ham Essex
William Lorkin 45 Tailor not born in county
William Lorkin 20 Silk printer born in county
George Lorkin 15 Tailor born in county
Peter Lorkin 13 born in county
Margarit Lorkin 45 not born in county
Emma Lorkin 6 born in county
adult ages, those over 15, are usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census.


William junior's marriage


27th December 1841 Holy Trinity Minories Liberty of the Tower of London
William Lorking Full Age Bachelor Printer Spital Square William Lorking Tailor
Hannah Pigrome Full Age Spinster Spital Square John Pigrome Clerk in the West Middlesex Docks
Both signed
Witnesses Charles Ashbourn, Margaret Lorking and Caroline Pigrome


Margaret Lorking senior was with her son William in West Ham on the 1861 census. She was aged 65, a widower born Guildford Surrey.

Deaths Dec 1872   
Lorking  Margaret  82  W. Ham  4a 31


The 1842 marriage for Margaret Lorking will confirm whether her father was William and a tailor. You can obtain her asylum records from Bedfordshire Record Office. Doctors of the period often made some reference to family member/s in asylum patients' records since they were often interested in proving a genetic link, though the general held belief at the time from the male medical  profession and society in general was that women were weaker of mind.


The Lorking baptisms may have taken place at All Saints West Ham (if Anglican) as this could be to early for an Anglican church at Stratford. Though the orginal registers are held at Essex Record Office (you will be able to view them - for a price by the end of the month

see this topic

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,543364.0.html

The London borough of Newham archives which hold microfilm copies of the registers in the area have also indexed them.

http://www.newham.gov.uk/EntertainmentandLeisure/Libraries/LibraryReferenceServices/ArchivesAndLocalHistory/Servicesatthearchivesandlocalstudieslibrary.htm


Sometimes if you can't go, at least at present through the direct line, looking for siblings can help.


Regards

Valda

Hi Valda,

Thank you for this. It is brilliant and gives me a lot to think about - I have been unable to find any Lorkings in the censuses so far in the right area, so you've achieved far more than me

It is interesting to note that Margaret's son-in-law - Thomas Bigg Tirebuck - died in West Ham in 1925. I wonder if he was visiting his wife's relatives (his wife was Margaret's daughter Elizabeth Tapley)

I wonder if the witness (Margaret) at William's wedding was my Margaret?

As soon as I have the money, I'll buy the wedding certificate just to see who Margaret's father was.

Not sure if the family were Anglican or not. By the time they got to Margaret's son - William John (my great grandfather) - they were Catholic but not sure why (may have been to do with his wife!) William's brother was a Baptist or Methodist minister if my memory serves me correctly.

Many, many thanks for this.

Mike