Muscovitz - Poland

[pearlsing]

Hi JustinL
I just remembered where I found Jacob (Morris) Muscovitz's father name, Alexander.  It was from a few messages back from
Shauno.  I have been in touch with his Uncle to share information.
Thanks Pearlsing

[shauno]

Justin this link confirmed a very poorly written entry in an english census (date unsure ill check)  that was almost undecernable stating alexander as the father of morris muscovitz. Im unsure of patricia's source. Thanks for the insight into polish records - whats your link in all this??

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/o/p/Patricia-A-Hopps/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0013.html

[JustinL]

Hello Shauno,

Do you mean that Morris was recorded in a UK census with his father?

Have you (or Pearl or Abi) ordered any birth certs for the children born in Mile End?

Just as Morris had a double Yiddish name, I suspect that Golda did too and that she was registered as Sarah Muscovitz.

Nothing links me to your family, I am merely fairly experienced in Jewish genealogy and enjoy helping others who may need it.

The Family Tree Maker link indicate that Stephen Hopps of Seattle uploaded the data. Have you tried to contact him, his email address is on the site?

Justin

[shauno]

Thanks Justine for all your input. So can I assume that the real name in polish is Moskowicz or Moshkowicz. Or with the 'son of' reference would Alexanders Surname be Mosko? How far back can that go?

Re my ref to alexander - i was wrong the only reference to alexander was thru the patricia hopps link - not thru anything i saw. I sent Stephen an email yonks ago but to avail.

No i havent ordered any birth certificates - Nathan would be the first one born in england so that would be the first port of call but it wouldn't it only have morris/jacob/simcha as the father - there wouldnt be any ref to Alexander and so would only confirm what we know?

It seems like the best sources are from where you got the proper details for Simchas marriage to blema. Can you elaborate on this database and access? What are the chances of getting details on Alexander's parents? Also what can you see on the records re Mechenam Carlish (father of blema). Would he be Menecham Kaliszer?

Thanks for your assistance its priceless to have someone who knows there way around jewish geneology.

If you have any fish  (my only expertise!) questions feel free to ask!! Maybe your guppy is sick and i can help?!!

[JustinL]

I think our cats would make a guppy feel very sick indeed.

The only online source of Jewish Polish records is the Jewish Records Indexing project at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/ - and excellent is it too.

An army of volunteers has transcribed the vital data from Polish archive sources from either Polish (1808-1867), Russian (1868-1917) or Yiddish (1826-1942). Some of the records (including many those of Konstantynow Lodzki) have also been filmed by the LDS.

The original Polish spelling of the name was Mośkowicz or Moszkowicz – both pronounced Moshkovitz. The suffix –wicz means ‘son of’.  Surnames became mandatory for Polish Jews in 1821. We can speculate that whoever adopted the surname was the son of a Moszko/Moshko/Moisha/Mosek/Mosiek - Yiddish/Polish renderings of Moses. This man was Morris’ father or, more likely, his grandfather.

The marriage record I have found in the JRI-Poland database would be in Polish and is on FHL film number 730172. The record can, of course, also be obtained from the appropriate regional branch of the Polish State Archives. The full entry from the Jewish register should give the names of the bride’s and groom’s fathers.

There are 88 records for Kaliszer in Konstantynow Lodzski. Mendel, the Yiddish nickname for Menachem, only appears once in 1876. Apart from Patty Hopps’ tree, what evidence is there to prove that Blima’s father was Menachem/Mendel? I would have expected to see that given name in subsequent generations. Konstantynow Lodzski, incidentally, was on the border of the old gubernias of Kalisz and Mazow.

You’re right about the birth cert and Morris’ father. However, it would at least dispel the cloud of confusion about whether Morris used an additional secular name, i.e. Jacob.

Amongst the death records of Konstantynow Lodzski is the record of the death of a Aleksander Mośkowicz in 1862. It is certainly a reasonable conclusion that Morris and Blima named their first son after this man, and he may indeed have been Morris’ father.

Justin

[JustinL]

Shauno,

Have you found your Morris (b. 1866) in the 1901 and 1911 UK censuses?

Does it state in either one that he was a naturalised British subject?

The UK National Archives hold the naturalisation papers for:

Morris Muscovitz, native of Russia, of 124 Cable St., St. Geo. in the East, who took the oath of allegiance on 18 Mar 1901.

The papers would confirm his date and place of birth and the exact names of his parents.

Justin

[JustinL]

Shauno,

After a lot of hunting I have realised that your Morrie Morris was recorded as Emanuel Muscovitz, then later Morris. He married Mary Benjamin in 1885.

Where did the name Morrie come from?

Do you have the original 1881 census image where his name was transcribed as Morris?

Justin

[shauno]

Wow

Your a machine justin!

Yes i have the 1881 census with Morris Muscovitz as the father age 40 (guessing he was born about 1841) and Morris Muscovitz as the son born about 1866 (aged 15 in 1881 census). They are both down as British Subjects. See attached. The names mary up with Patricia Hopps website.

Your spot on re name changes of the younger morris (to morrie morris then Emmanuel Morris) - it made my uncle work hard for it but I believe he has some paperwork on this. I was more suprised that he changed his name to emmanual as theres no family hsitory of this name. Dont know if this is a jewish thing or not. Doesnt sound like it.

Id like to order FHL film number 730172 re  Szymche Mosiek Moskowicz  marriage to Blima Kaliszer. What do you think the chances are of finding a birth record for szmche or a marriage record for Aleksander to id the mother of Szymche/wife of Aleksander. How would I go about this??

Also is there a rego number for the naturalisation papers for Morris held in UK National archives ?

Thanks for the death record of Alek....my uncle did do alot of work to try and find tombstones in the Lodz cemetry when he was there a few years ago but to no avail. Im guessing the name and spelling thru him and at that stage we didnt have alex's name.

As we say in Australia Justin your a top bloke for helping out so much...thanks for your help....

[JustinL]

Shaun,

I was really hoping that there was an obvious mistranscription of a Yiddish form of Emanuel, e.g. Manel. I would be very interested to see any evidence for the use of the pet name Morrie. It seems to me that the 1881 census contains several errors:

1.   Rachel, who married Alexander Krisman in 1891, was born in Poland.
2.   Katie does not appear to have existed. This was presumably Nate.
3.   Alice was presumably Golda

The NA holds these two records:

Morris Muscovitz, native of Russia, of 124 Cable St., St. Geo. in the East took the oath of allegiance on 18 Mar 1901
(HO 144/440/B29237 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0hhn/ )

Emanuel Morris Muscovitz, known as Emanuel Morris, fishmonger of Station Rd, Laindon (ESX) took the oath of allegiance on 22 Aug 1923
(HO 144/2656 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0hho/

With the help of this list from the announcement of Morris’ funeral in The Jewish Chronicle of 23 May 1913, I have been able to identify a few more spouses: Sander Muscovitz, 636, Seven Sisters’ road ; Emanuel Muscovitz, Shaftesbury House, Port way, West Hm ; Mrs. A. Krisman, 66, Beaumont-square, E.; Alf Muscovitz, 79, Eldon-street, Sheffield ; May Muscovitz, 1, Helen street, Woolwich ; Sam Muscovitz, 49, Lincolnstreet, Bow; Mrs. G.
Singleton

Sander, calling himself Harris Moses (no idea why), married Maria Nieman on 26 Oct 1881 in the Prince’s Street Synagogue. He died on 26 Jun 1917.
Abraham, aka Alfred Abraham Morris, married Rose Fetter in 1898 in Bethnal Green. He died in 1916 in Ecclesall.
Simon, aka Sam, married Charlotte May Friend on 28 Jul 1901 in the East London Synagogue. He died on 25 Apr 1919.

The attached spreadsheet lists all the BMD entries for Mośkowicz / Moskowicz / Moszkowicz in Konstantynow Lodzski. I wonder if the very first birth registration for Mośiek Mośkowicz in 1840 is our man. There’s another film for you to order.

Cheers, Justin