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Re: North Tyneside BMD index code
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 22 October 16 21:32 BST (UK) »
I'm new to this type of research and I'm not sure what a GRO reference is but this is the page information on free BMD, I'm hoping it's what you need:
Tynemouth   10b   410

GRO 'index reference numbers' go to http://www.rootschat.com/links/07od/ which explains the system.

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Re: North Tyneside BMD index code
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 22 October 16 23:18 BST (UK) »
Remember that until 1898 if the marriage was not Church of England, then a registrar would have had to be present.
This is what Devon CC says
"Because a registrar had to be present at their chapels during a marriage, the pre-1898 marriages of Methodists, Baptists, Unitarians, etc., will appear in one of the local Register Office marriage registers."

Looking at March qtr 1891 Tynemouth
page 399 in the GRO indexes, two marriages, equates to entries 199 and 200 in W41 in the North Tyneside indexes.
Being an even number, marriages on page 400 really should be in the same place (or places if a registrar's book)
they come up on Tyneside as W43 entries 1 and 2

It's a long run for W43 in March 1891, up to page 418 in the GRO indexes
From page 419 it is W42, starting with entries 147 and 148

So I don't think the code W43 identifies a particular church. Looks like it's a registrar's register. Presumably as was W42
John

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Re: North Tyneside BMD index code
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 23 October 16 11:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Michael,
You have quoted correctly the GRO index reference, by giving the year, quarter, Registration District, Volume (10b) and page number (410).  The marriage that you seek probably took place at Wallsend Our Lady & St Columba Roman Catholic church, since this is on page 409.  From what John says helpfully in his reply post, it seems likely that W43 means the same thing for page 409 as 410.  The broader point here is that it must have taken place at a non-Conformist church or in a Register Office and in either case it would be recorded in the Registrar's Books, since the marriage took place before the 1898 Act came into force on 1st April 1899.  That means you usually can't get access to the details except by buying a certificate.  That said, a few non-Conformist churches, especially RC ones, did keep their own books as well, although not necessarily giving all the details that you would find in a certificate.  Here, you might be lucky, because, according to the GENUKI website, this church has a marriage register from 1886 onwards available at the Tyne & Wear Archives.  Continuing the broader point, you need to be aware of the practice of GRO clerks in arranging Anglican marriages before non-Conformist (NC) & Register Office (RO) ones.  Here, Tynemouth Reg. District occupies page 271 to 435 of the GRO book and page 410 is only 9.5 percent from the end of the range, which, in the late 1800s, as here, indicates NC or RO.  You can find more about how to "mine" marriages from church registers from the papers on the subject on my website at www.users.waitrose.com/~whitehousefhc.  The papers relate to other areas, but the same principles apply to all areas.  It would be helpful to me and others if you would go to the T & W archives (if you live in the area) and report back here on the range of marriages at this church in that quarter of 1891 (Jan to March), giving the dates and parties of the first and last in the quarter, because the number of marriages indicated by John's reply as belonging to the W43 code would be most unusual for one RC church, esp. as the 1st quarter is usually quiet - maybe Easter was early that year.  Good luck ! Keith

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Re: North Tyneside BMD index code
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 23 October 16 12:52 BST (UK) »
The problem is that there will be no page range for a non C of E place of worship in 1891. If it is a registrar's book then the next marriage in W43 could be another marriage that same day at Our Lady & St Columba, it could be a marriage in another church altogether, or a marriage at the Register Office.
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Re: North Tyneside BMD index code
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 23 October 16 13:04 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

Thanks very much for the help. I've got to be honest and say that it's going to take a few reads to get my head around the explanations but I'm sure I'll get there.

The church that you mention is one I have to walk past to get to my local library from the car park, I wonder if they hold any old records.

I will try and get into Tyne and Wear archives and check the book for you, the problem is not with getting there, it's getting in. It's only open a few days a week, not at weekends and only during working hours so I'll have to try and take a few hours off work.

I will get in there though and post what I find.

Thanks a lot for the help,

Michael
Dale (Newcastle Upon Tyne), Beck, English, Hall, Harrison, Stephenson (all from the North Shields, South Shields area), Woodger (from the Newcastle and Liss areas)