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Newson/Lewis AGAIN ! *completed*
« on: Friday 12 August 11 00:56 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I'm still trying to break through the brick wall outlined in my previous thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,503491

I have recently made some significant progress, but still some unanswered questions.
The family is complicated because we now have definite confirmation that both father and son used surnames Newson and Lewis. Searching for these at BDM had been unsuccessful until I realised their surnames had to be entered as "Newson CKA Lewis".
(CKA stands for "Commonly Know As" and the fact that entering either "Lewis" or "Newson" or "Lewis CKA Newson" produced no results is a beef that can be aired elsewhere  :P )

So now I have found the births of the two boys in 1902 and 1907 using name as above, e.g. birth of William is shown at BDM as
1924/11661   Newson CKA Lewis    William Lawrence Hunter    Margarett Watt   George CKA Alfred Lawrence

Apparently the births were not registered until 1924, just to add to the confusion  :o

Now that we know the father also used the given name of "George", I believe his birth is the one shown at BDM as 1877/15474   Newson    George    Jane   Alfred.
George was born in Auckland (which matches details from his death/obit as Alfred Lewis found by Lu in previous thread, and his military record supplied by spades)

Jane and Alfred Newson had 5 other children, 2M and 3F 1879 to 1886, all born in Napier.

There are references at PapersPast to Jane and Alfred Newson that show Alfred was a carpenter.
Electoral Rolls show an Alfred Lewis, carpenter, was in Napier 1880 to 1906, then Alfred Newson, carpenter,  appears in Napier 1919.
BDM again confuse the issue with a death shown as
1920/3039   Newson CKA Lewis    Alfred CKA Alfred    88YA
Cemetery records show this man's burial plot was purchased by Angelina Conelius [sic] and one of Jane and Alfred's daughters was Angelina, who married Paul Graham Cornelius, so I think we can safely say this is our man.

BDM show the death of a Jane Lewis
1887/48   Lewis Jane 30Y
PapersPast references to this show she died in Napier Hospital of phthisis, and show her age as 29. Cemetery records show this lady had issue 3M and 3F, which matches what we know of Alfred's wife, so looks like she died shortly after the death of her last child, Alfred in 1886. Incidentally, this will be the Alfred Lewis found by Beg at Waikumete d 1949 in other thread.

Cemetery records for Napier 1887 were apparently destroyed by fire in 1895, but the Council have access to some details from the Napier Courthouse death register. These show Jane Lewis d 1887 was born in Ireland, and lived in NZ for 13yrs, so arrived approx 1874 aged approx 17.

I cannot find any marriage in NZ 1870-1880 for the couple Alfred and Jane Lewis/Newson. I cannot see any arrival in passenger lists of the couple (although Jane unlikely to have been married at 17?) or an Alfred Newson/Lewis in single men.

So, can anyone suggest any way to trace the origins of Alfred and Jane Lewis/Newson, or better still offer an explanation why two generations have used two surnames ???

Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to avoid duplicating searches that had already been made.  ;D

John B
Barraclough, Barron, Hunter, Marsden, Pawson, Sowden, Street, Vowless,

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Re: Newson/Lewis AGAIN !
« Reply #1 on: Friday 12 August 11 04:29 BST (UK) »
Jeepers, John !   ;D

A cuppa tea and a lie down needed, I think  ...  before we tackle this one.    :D

First question though  ... did you ever manage to discount the Alfred NEWSON (and family) who arrived in Wellington on the "La Hogue" in 1874 ?

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Re: Newson/Lewis AGAIN !
« Reply #2 on: Friday 12 August 11 06:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Lu,
Yes, there have been many "Stop and have a cuppa's" with this family  ;D

The Alfred Newson/Lewis who married Margaret Watt Hunter in 1901 is my target.
Thanks to the Obit you found, giving his birthplace as Auckland, with confirmation from his military record from spades , I am 99% sure he is the child shown by BDM as
1877/15474   Newson    George    Jane   Alfred
So, not the 4month old child Alfred that arrived on La Hogue 1874.

However, checking from your suggestion, and after another cuppa  ??? I see that a Sarah Elizabeth Newson aged 33 died 1875, i.e. it looks like she died shortly after she and husband Alfred arrived on La Hogue in 1874. Burial Locator says she is buried at Masterton, but not on Masterton Council site. So possibly her widower Alfred moved to Auckland and teamed up with a "Jane ?" to form the parents of the Alfred born in NZ 1877  ???.

The death of my Alfred in 1920 age 85 or 88 would mean he was born 1832-1835, pretty close to the birthdate of the Alfred Newson on La Hogue (bc 1838). His occupation as carpenter also matches the ship passenger list !

Any clues as to who/where Jane came from  ???

John B

Barraclough, Barron, Hunter, Marsden, Pawson, Sowden, Street, Vowless,

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Re: Newson/Lewis AGAIN !
« Reply #3 on: Friday 12 August 11 06:50 BST (UK) »
Just trying to catch up
so is the the son of the Alfred you are after
Karori Cemetery (Inscriptions) - Wellington

Area/Block/Row/Plot
03/C/09/046
Description
(Cross IHS, heart & thorns)  `Sacred heart of Jesus
have mercy'. ILMO Margaret Watt LEWIS b w of Alfred
Lawrence LEWIS who dep this life 21 Dec 1926 a 49
yrs.  `Sadly missed'.  `May she rest in peace'.  Also
Alfred Leo son of the above d 30 Dec 1928 a 21 yrs.
And Alfred Lawrence LEWIS hus of above d 11 May
1943.

Bye
Althea


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Re: Newson/Lewis AGAIN !
« Reply #4 on: Friday 12 August 11 22:24 BST (UK) »
Hello Althea and Lu,
Thanks for dropping in and offering to help  ;D
And apologies for such a complicated thread - I was just trying to provide some background ! Yes, Althea, that is the same family.

Let's try to simplify things.  :o ??? ::)

I am now trying to trace the origins of Jane Newson/Lewis.

First mention of her is as mother of six Newson children, 1877-1886.
1877/15474   Newson    George    Jane   Alfred   in Auckland
1879/1764   Newson    Angelina    Jane   Alfred   in Napier
1880/10056   Newson    William    Jane   Alfred   in Napier
1882/2906   Newson    Christiana    Jane   Alfred   in Napier
1884/7074   Newson    Sarah    Jane   Alfred   in Napier
1886/11137   Newson    Alfred    Jane   Alfred       in Napier

There are several mentions of the couple, Alfred and Jane Newson, at PapersPast, in Auckland in 1877.

Then in 1887, from Napier, there is mention of the death of Jane Lewis, age 29 or 30 at Napier Hospital. Cemetery records show she had issue 3M and 3F, which fits with Jane Newson above. Also mentions she is from Ireland, and had been in NZ 13 yrs. The newspaper report however, said she was from England. 

Because I cannot find any other reference to Jane Newson/Lewis after 1887 I'm assuming (?) this was Alfred's wife - although there is no record of a marriage either.

Can anyone spot any other clues to help establish the identity of the mother Jane Newson mentioned above? 

John B
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Re: Newson/Lewis AGAIN !
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 August 11 01:56 BST (UK) »
Hello John....

Late to the party but just making sure I understand what's what.

Are you saying that the George NEWSON born in 1877 in Auckland (BDM1877/15474) and the Alfred Lawrence LEWIS who died in Wellington in 1943 (BDM1943/31655) are the same person.

That's really impressive detective work linking them, considering they are two totally different names.

And now you want to find out about the parents of George/Alfred, namely Alfred NEWSON and Jane ?

Plus you think that Alfred NEWSON is the Alfred who came over on the La Hogue in 1874 with his first wife Sarah E ?
And that Sarah died in 1875 and is buried somewhere near Masterton.
And that Jane (originally from Ireland or England) died in 1887 and is buried in Napier (?)

Whew :-)

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Beg

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Re: Newson/Lewis AGAIN !
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 August 11 02:23 BST (UK) »
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Red herring

Sorry

Beg

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Re: Newson/Lewis AGAIN !
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 August 11 03:31 BST (UK) »

Are you saying that the George NEWSON born in 1877 in Auckland (BDM1877/15474) and the Alfred Lawrence LEWIS who died in Wellington in 1943 (BDM1943/31655) are the same person.

That's really impressive detective work linking them, considering they are two totally different names.


Hi,
I'm still trying to break through the brick wall outlined in my previous thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,503491



Hi Beg

More detail available in John's previous thread.    :)



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Re: Newson/Lewis AGAIN !
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 August 11 06:13 BST (UK) »
Hi John

Yes, I agree, the George (later known as Alfred Lawrence LEWIS), is most likely to be the son born to Alfred and Jane NEWSON.   :)   [And that we can rule out, the infant Alfred who arrived on the La Hogue, 1874.]   ;)

My curiosity was with the man Alfred NEWSON (arr. La Hogue)  ... and the Napier electoral roll discoveries you made (in that both A... LEWIS and A.... NEWSON were carpenters.)   

But anyway we've both reached a similar conclusion, that there exists the possibility that Alfred NEWSON the widower of Sarah NEWSON, could be the man who goes on to father children with Jane.     ;)

   ~ Lu
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