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[William Stuart]

Hi,got a real problem now,Have been searching for the birth record for my Great grandfather James Jones according to the 1891,1901,and 1911 census he was born in 1860/61 in Holywell North Wales,His Father is recorded as Joseph Jones and still living on his marriage certificate in 1883 which took place in manchester,the problem I've got is there is no record of him born in Holywell in 1859-61 and I,m not sure if there's any more I could do to pursue him,William

[suzard]

Hi,

Jones is often a very difficult name to research -especially form Walea -there are so many!

First of all could you post more information -then we will see what we can find

Who did james Jones marry?
Where did they live after marriage?
On marriage cert what is Joseph's occupation?
Who are the witnesses? They may be related to James???

Suz

[Gardener]

Could you find him in the census perhaps? With his father?

[William Stuart]

Hi,

Jones is often a very difficult name to research -especially form Walea -there are so many!

First of all could you post more information -then we will see what we can find

Who did james Jones marry?
Where did they live after marriage?
On marriage cert what is Joseph's occupation?
Who are the witnesses? They may be related to James???

Suz

Hi,He married an Elizabeth Stevenson,in 1891 they were living in 308 Oldham rd newton Manchester, He was a Bricklayer, the witnesses were Thomas Young and Mary Vernon( who later Married),He never appears on a Census with a Joseph as a Father that i can see, this is about all I know .William

[suzard]

I have just read your previous post - I see you already had posted quite a lot of information.

I will have another look around

Suz

[suzard]

There is this census record -a long shot -but who knows???

1861
Brynford St Holywell Flints
JOSEPH JONES Head M 34 Ostler
Hannah wife 30
Charlotte daughter 12
Peter son 9
Daniel son 7
Mary Ann daughter 5
Elleanor dauughter 2

next door
Edward Jones Head M 68 lab
Annie wife 62
Margaret daughter U 21 charwoman
Hannah daughter U 18 Charwoman
JAMES Grandson 1

all b Holywell

could James be son of Joseph /Hannah and be next door with his grandparents on census night???

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Suz

[William Stuart]

There is this census record -a long shot -but who knows???

1861
Brynford St Holywell Flints
JOSEPH JONES Head M 34 Ostler
Hannah wife 30
Charlotte daughter 12
Peter son 9
Daniel son 7
Mary Ann daughter 5
Elleanor dauughter 2

next door
Edward Jones Head M 68 lab
Annie wife 62
Margaret daughter U 21 charwoman
Hannah daughter U 18 Charwoman
JAMES Grandson 1

all b Holywell

could James be son of Joseph /Hannah and be next door with his grandparents on census night???

RG9 4269 46 3

Suz

I have actually put this down as the only possibility to the problem, but just cannot understand why there is no birth record to confirm or deny this in holywell, thank you for your efforts william

[shellyb]

Hi,

I found 14 possible births all James Jones born Holywell, North Wales between 1858-1861.  Are you unable to find these entries or do you mean you have checked all possibilities out?

Shellyb

[Gardener]

Hi

Just in case the information is new, http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/ has births listed by sub-registration district. Sometimes that is helpful.

Do you think the baptism (IGI extracted) at Cilcain in Dec 1859 is too far away from Holywell itself? The father is down as Jope. Cilcain is in the Holywell district (Mold 4 subdistrict according to Genuki).