Mate cert numbers

[Seaman]

Can someone help me on Mate Cert Numbers.  I have two seaman that I am trying to trace.  I have there certificate numbers but want to get information on there last voyage's as well as there discharge papers. One in particular disappeared in or around 1891 and I am lead to believe that he died in Argentina while on a voyage, can someone help please. I am thinking of perhaps looking at BT 334, BT 156 and BT 160 but as I live in NZ I want to be confident that I am looking in the right area. Any help would be appreciated.

[seaweed]

Are you in a position to give us, their names, date and place of birth and their certificate numbers please?

[Seaman]

Morning Sea,

Yes I can my gentleman are - William Glass Brooks b 1833 Appledore England, Mate Cert No 28404 and Robert Brooks b 1832 Appledore England, Mate Cert No 17580.
According to oral history William Glass died in or around 1891 on a voyage and was buried in Argentina.

[seaweed]

A little enigma re Robert Brooks. Lloyd's Captains Register, has the Certificate number 17580, as Robert Henry Brooks born Devon 1827,  certificated at Liverpool 1864. Records of voyages and ships 1865-1867  and 1869-1872.
Do you have the records from LCR?
The Mercantile Navy List 1867, confirms the name and the certificate number but gives passed Mates certificate in 1860.
Do you have records of Robert (Henry) Brooks from BT122/20?

Can confirm William Glass Brooks as Certificate number 28404 passed Mates exam in Bristol 1863 but no mention in LCR.
Unless other Rootschaters can shed some light on his career, if its OK with you I would prefere  to concentrate on R (H) Brooks for the moment.

[Seaman]

Evening Seaweed,

Thank you for your reply. It is interesting that there are differences with Robert Henry Brooks, is it possible a mariner can have two certificates, this has been mentioned to me before, however I find it rather unusual.

I do not have records of Robert Henry from BT122/20, I would be interested in viewing these if possible, also can I trouble you to have a look at a Robert Brooks Cert Mate No 39341 born Devon in 1808 I believe that he could be William Glass's father. I have nothing on either of the above.

In regard to William Glass, I do have copies of his certificate of competency and a list of his early voyages up until 1863, all others I have obtained from the web site Swansea Mariners and the last one on this site is for 1888.

I do know that both Robert and William Glass sailed out of Newport and Swansea.

I do hope that you can shed some light on all of the above, the research has been a long time coming.

[seaweed]

There seems to be two Robert Brooks from Devon born around the same era and this may be the cause of the confusion.
From Lloyds Captains Register Index

BROOKS, Robert Henry b. Devon 1827 C17580 Liverpool 1864
vol.2 1865-1867, 1869-1872; vol.16 no voyages listed
BROOKS, Robert Henry b. Devon 1841 C30045 changed to C012332 (vol.29) South Shields 1869
vol.2 1869-1873; vol.16 1874-1879; vol.29 1880-1887; vol.44 no voyages listed
Brooks seems to be a very common surname in the Appledore area in the period.
 

I also found this
BROOKS, Robert b. Devon 1808 S36341
vol.2 1856-1857, 1859-1861, 1863-1865; vol.16 no voyages listed.
 
I suggest you enquire about all three at the National Maritime Museum Greenwich
.Email
manuscripts AT nmm.ac.uk
Give  certificate numbers and  full names, dates and place of birth.
I understand NMM are not responding to queries until September due to refurbishment.
 
Meanwhile contact London Metropolitan Archives to obtain entries in LCR for Robert Henry Brooks C 17580 and Robert Brooks S36341
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_culture/Records_and_archives/Family_Research/Family+History+Research+Service.htm

If these searches come back negative, I will take a look in BT122/20



William Glass Brooks.
I Know I said to put this one on the back burner but  have found some snippets which may be pieces of the jigsaw.
From the Bristol Mercury May 13th 1863.
William Glass Brooks passed as only Mate. Never come across this definition before but it could mean he never passed a masters exam and is therefor not in LCR.
I found a William Brooks GRO Consular Deaths Indices 1876-1880 Vol 6 page 2063 died Montevideo Uruguay. Maybe this may be your family folk law link and may be worth looking at.

[Seaman]

Thank you for that Seaweed, I will check out the London Met Archives and let you know how I get on.

I am not all that hopeful with William Glass but he has always been a mystery.

Will keep in touch when I get any news.