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Look-up request: Ruabon PRs -- DAVIES
« on: Sunday 07 August 11 16:27 BST (UK) »
Is there any kind Rootschatter out there who has access to transcripts of Ruabon PR and could attempt to look something up for me?

My ancestor, Anne Davies, was born in Ruabon in 1801; father, Thomas Davies (born 1757); mother Margaret Peplow(e) (born 1760).  What I am really interested in is what is given as her father's abode and occupation at this time.

Many thanks.

CELTIC ANNIE.
PEPLOE/PEPLOW: Shropshire, Inverness
DAVIES: Inverness, Montgomeryshire, Ruabon
OWEN: Edinburgh, Aberystwyth, Middlesex, Essex, Kendal, Berwick, Montgomeryshire
TROLLOPE: Warwickshire, Middlesex
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Re: Look-up request: Ruabon PRs -- DAVIES
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 August 11 16:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie -

I'll check when we've had the cup presentation  :D


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Re: Look-up request: Ruabon PRs -- DAVIES
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 August 11 16:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie

The only Ann(e) that I can find with a father Thomas was b. 10 Jan 1802  (bpt 5 Feb 1802) and her mother was Ann not Margaret. Living Dyninlle Uchaf

Where they non-conformists?


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Re: Look-up request: Ruabon PRs -- DAVIES
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 August 11 17:24 BST (UK) »
hello gnu!

thanks so much for your prompt response -- even though results are disappointing. :'(  mum was definitely Margaret, so I don't think this can be my ancestor. 

So maybe they were non-conformists then. (how unhelpful of them!). >:(  another dead end; but it was worth a try.

once again, thanks for your much-appreciated assistance.

CELTIC ANNIE
PEPLOE/PEPLOW: Shropshire, Inverness
DAVIES: Inverness, Montgomeryshire, Ruabon
OWEN: Edinburgh, Aberystwyth, Middlesex, Essex, Kendal, Berwick, Montgomeryshire
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Re: Look-up request: Ruabon PRs -- DAVIES
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 August 11 06:36 BST (UK) »


It is a pity that she does not show up in the PR,  given that the census statements that she was born at Ruabon looked like the first support in primary sources that could validate her father Thomas Davies's alleged connection with Trefynant,  the farm -- and later chapel,  burial ground and built-up area -- towards the southern end of the parish of Ruabon.  Otherwise there seems to be absolutely no contemporary evidence of such a link,  despite assertions to be found elsewhere on and off-line.  But the idea of his temporary residence there during the construction of the great canal aqueduct over the Dee nearby remains entirely plausible -- see the information in the Davies thread on the Inverness Board.

The chapel possibilities are always worth checking,  insofar as possible.  But against that it should be borne in mind that just a few years earlier Thomas Davies had children baptised in Chirk parish church;  and a couple of years on there are possibles for later siblings of Anne's being baptised in the established church at Shrewsbury.

It may just be worth rehearsing the full known evidence about her date and place of birth,  for the record -- beginning with Osprey's first examination of the matter,  on the Montgomeryshire board:

The 1861 & 1871 give Anne's place of birth as Ruabon, although the 1871 does have Ruabon, Shropshire when it's in Denbighshire
[my emphasis]

For ready ref.,  here are the census details:

1851 = Edinburgh Canongate,  ED 34,  schedule 10.  (I have not seen an image of the original.)  Stated age 50,  so implied birth year range 1800-01.  PoB transcribed as "Wales, North".

1861 = Edinburgh St Cuthbert's,  ED 28,  schedule 62.  (Not seen an image of the original.)  Stated age 58,  so implied birth year range 1802-03.  PoB transcribed as "Ruabon, Derbyshire".

1871 = West Ham,  Essex,  RG10/1629 fo.136v p.46.  Stated age 67,  so implied birth year range 1803-04.  PoB "Salop Ruabon".

The middle initial entered for her in 1871 is badly written,  but my bet is that the enumerator intended to write a D,  not the G transcribed by Anc***ry.com.  Best analogy for a poorly formed D that I spotted was the first letter of Domestic Servant,  five lines up from the bottom on the preceding page.  (What do others think?)

It is rather odd that a middle initial should appear for the first time so late on in her life.

In view of her location in 1871 and her invisibility in 1881,  there seems to be a fair chance that she is the Anne Owen whose death in West Ham RD aged 71 appears in the GRO indexes for Q4 1871 -- vol. 4a p.47.  But if so,  we must take it that the family decided to wave goodbye to her by posthumously overriding the (cosmetic?) age that Anne gave just a few months earlier at census time -- because that death age pushes her implied year of birth back to 1800 (or even into the last three months of 1799).

So,  to summarise the census and (likely) death entry evidence,  we have a maximum birth-year range of 1799 to 1804.


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Re: Look-up request: Ruabon PRs -- DAVIES
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 August 11 09:42 BST (UK) »
I was initially a wee bit perplexed about your interest in a humble Ruabon look up, Rol  :) but, having read the Inverness thread,  I now see why you are interested!

(http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,431053.0.html) if no one clicked the blue link in your post.

It might well have been that Ann(e) was born Ruabon, but maybe christened elsewhere. I note that Telford completed the Chirk aquaduct in 1801 and the Pontcysyllte one in 1803, having been working on the Ellesmere canal since 1793.   The construction of the  Caledonian Canal began in 1803 as far as I'm aware.

This would suggest that Thomas Davies was in the area, but not necessarily living in the  Ruabon parish, from circa 1793 to circa 1803. I'll have a look in both the Chirk and Llangollen PRs.

Do either you or Annie  have the baptisms dates and locations of Ann(e)'s siblings?  Also, Annie, how did you discover Margaret's maiden name - did you get a death cert from one of the children who remained in Scotland post-1855?


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Re: Look-up request: Ruabon PRs -- DAVIES
« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 August 11 10:09 BST (UK) »
Found a strong possible in the Chirk PRs  :)

20 Jan  1799 (born 8 Nov 1798) Anne Davies d/o Thomas and Margaret. Abode Penyclawdd.


Penyclawdd is the township that stretches around the west side of the parish and then swings around to the east at the north end, taking in Pentre which borders the Ruabon parish.

Also :

1 Jan 1797 (born 4 Nov 1796)  Owen and John Davies (twins) ss/o Thomas and Margaret. Abode - The Sun (Inn - also Penyclawdd/Pentre).

Given the proximity to the canal at this point (and I'm not going to draw any maps, Rol  ;D :P ) , I would suggest that this is indeed the Thomas Davies, engineer ( later 'of Inverness')

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Re: Look-up request: Ruabon PRs -- DAVIES
« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 August 11 10:21 BST (UK) »
A map is always useful:

This is a link to the location of Pentre:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ek1/

The arrow is pointing to the location of Pentre, where the Sun is/was. The Ruabon parish begins on the other side of the River Dee. The canal is clearly marked by the straighter blue and 'Towing Path'

I like maps  ;D


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Re: Look-up request: Ruabon PRs -- DAVIES
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 August 11 11:33 BST (UK) »
Getting more info about this family  ::) ::) ::)

An interesting (very small) tree) here:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ek5/   and a few Ancestry trees

I assume that both of you have seen these  already!

The first ref hasThomas's parents as Owen Davies and Sarah Stockell and born Trefynant, Denbigh 8 Nov 1757 but the Ancestry ones have no parents/sources and ref a William Peploe gedcom file  ::)

Note that there is no such person showing up in either the Llangollen or the Ruabon registers for that broad time period. However there is a Trefnant between Denbigh and St Asaph, map ref  SJ0570 or

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ek6/

I do not have access to the parish registers of that side of the county. Also, I'm not sure how well sourced the info on that tree is.


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