Pre 1841 Census?

[Marmalady]

Birth certificates do not exist pre-1837 - you need to search parish registers

First stop should be Familysearch, ancestry or freeReg to see if they have transcribed a suitable birth. If there is one which you think might fit, contact the local Record Office to request a copy of the entry - which may have additional info to confirm or refute your thoeries

For his death -- FreeBMD is your first stop, then order a copy of the certificate from GRO or the local Register Office

[SDCragg]

i found this at FamilySearch, but how can i prove that it's the right John?

John Cragg
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:   13 May 1810
residence:   1810 —York, England
parents:   Richard Cragg, Dorothy
    
record title:   England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name:   John Cragg
gender:   Male
baptism/christening date:   06 Jun 1810
baptism/christening place:   SKIPTON,YORK,ENGLAND
birth date:   13 May 1810
father's name:   Richard Cragg
mother's name:   Dorothy
indexing project (batch) number:   P00934-1
system origin:   England-ODM
source film number:   100098

there's a history of the Hardcastles and Richard Cragg, but i need to make that last step... will the christening record actually help?

[Marmalady]

I doubt that is your John Cragg

In your opening post you say he was born in Lincolnshire

That christening record is for Skipton in Yorkshire - too far away to be a good match

[SDCragg]

That's all i could see that was John Cragg and close to 1810. is there no way they could have had a big move? When looking up the origin of the Cragg name there's a big lot of info about the York Craggs but no info at all about any from Linolnshire or close by. maybe one of the could have strayed? do you think ordering the record will actually show anything else?

[Marmalady]

Yes they "could" have moved

But on the censuses he gives his birthplace as Licolnshire. Does the 1851 census give a more explicit location? I would do more research in Lincolnshire before jumping to conclusions about the family moving such a distance

Personally, I wouldnt waste money on ordering a copy of that birth entry unless you have exhausted all Lincolnshire possiblilities

[softly softly]

SDCRAGG,
Never assume anything. John and Jane appear on the 1881 census ref rg11 3208 17 5, aged 71 & 74 giving birth dates c 1810 and c 18079 recorded on Ancestry as CRUFF. For a period of years at least 10 they were living from 1871-81 in Tynn St Mary. There are then 2 deaths that fit quite nicely between 1881-91. John Dec q 1881 aged 71 Holbeach 7a 226 and Jane Sophia aged 80 Sept q 7a 251.
Also if his father is possibly and I say possibly Robert then there is a marriage 1793 that could be him. Will carry on searching.

John

[softly softly]

sorry should have said both deaths were in Holbeach reg district that covers Tynn St Mary.

John

[softly softly]

If you want confirmation of Jane's maiden name then the birth certificate of son Robert Carr Cragg in 1844 should give this. June q 1844 Holbeach 14 423.
Robert died 1932 and left a will, if you want probate details let me know.

John