Capt David Roberts

[dglvr]

Hi all, I wonder if anyone can help?

My maternal GGG Grandfather was Capt. David Roberts of Llanelly(i).  He is in the Lloyd's register and Captained ships such as the /Arthur Gordon/1858-9. m&C/43877/Dreadnought/1862-72. m/68221/Bidsie & Bell/1873-6. Died at Lisbon, 2992/77.

The fact that he died at Lisbon clarifies a family story, but unfortunately this is where I have smacked straight into a wall.

He married Eleanor Avery (of whom I cannot find any trace in any census) and they resided at Seaside in Llanelly.  They had at least one son James Parker Roberts who is my GG Grandfather and they moved to Barrow In Furness at some point where Captain Roberts worked for J Fisher and sons

Does anyone know if it was possible that he was buried in Lisbon, or what may have happened to him or his family (wife) as I know that James Parker Roberts married in Barrow and had my GG Grandfather Fred Norman Roberts.

Thanking you in anticipation
Damian Glover

[Dazey999]

Hi Damian
Have you found the marriage of David Roberts & Eleanor Avery?  It's just that (as perhaps you already know) in the 1851 census of Llanelly  (Bryn Terrace) there's a Mary Ann Roberts, mariner's wife, age 26, b. Bristol, Somerset with her 8 month old son, James P Roberts, b. Llanelly, Carmarthen.
HO107 Piece 2468 Folio 169 Page 34

Dazey

[Dazey999]

Sorry Damian 

Just noticed that was your first post on Rootschat
Welcome!  I'm sure you'll get lots of help and support here 

Dazey

[Dazey999]

And then in 1861

RG9 Piece 4085 Folio 11 Page 18

we have at Railway Terrace, Briton Ferry, Glamorgan

David Roberts, 36, Master Mariner, born Llanelli
Mary Ann (his wife), 36, b. Bristol
daughter Emma, 6, b. Llanelli
son Robert Henry Roberts, 3, b. Briton Ferry

all visiting an Elizabeth Williams, a 77-yr-old widow, born Briton Ferry

Was your David born c. 1825?

Dazey

[Dazey999]

And in 1881 there's a Robert H Roberts, 22, unmarried, engine fitter at works, b. Llanelly with brother William E Roberts, 19, commercial clerk, b. Llanelly
living at 7 Storey Square, BARROW IN FURNESS
RG11 Piece 4285 Folio 81 Page 79

[heywood]

You probably have this too - I would imagine it is him:

1861 RG9 Piece 4105 Folio 107 Page 39

Graig house Academy Clifton Swansea

David Roberts 10 yrs pupil b Llanelly

heywood 

[Dazey999]

Free BMD (www.freebmd.org.uk) has a possible marriage in Llanelly Jan-March 1848 where 2 of the partners listed under that registration number (26-656) are David Roberts and Mary Ann EVERY

Possible, I suppose?

[dglvr]

Hi all, thanks so much for your prompt replies.  I have the information you gave me and I too thought that everything pointed to him marrying Mary Ann.  It even made me doubt the BMD so much that I paid for two marriage certs just in case they has made a mistake.  But the second one came back the same.

I really do believe it is Mary Ann but can't seem to find the proof I need! Do you have any idea what the 'Academy' was that he attended age 10?

Thanks again
Regards
Damian

[Dazey999]

Which marriage certificates did you buy, Damian, that both 'came back the same'.  Did you buy the David Roberts/Mary Ann Every one?  Have you got James Parker Robert's birth certificate?  What does it say for the mother on that?  Guess what I'm trying to ask is where did you get the name Eleanor Avery from?

I would imagaine that the Graig House Academy in Swansea was just a small private school.  Looks like it was just 2 teachers - a Baptist Minister and an assistant master - and a total of about 22 pupils