very difficult ancestress- Sarah Glossop, Sheffield

[alunno-a]

Thank-you Pam,

I did missunderstand your post- there are quite a few Sarah Glossops in the records for the area, and I thought you had found a daughter of the "other" David I as looking for- the cutler son of Stephen.I do have the other William Thompson marriages as I said earlier- there are several more than you mentioned- I just have not found one for a William described as a Schoolmaster, so, if your records reveal one I'd be really grateful for the details. Also I have not been able to see the original burial record for all of these wives- which might give a proffession of the widower, and so a lead on the first marriage and any children.
I think finding a will is probably my best bet.
Would you know where to start looking for Sheffield/North Derby wills???- I have no idea where William and Sarah died, but getting at the 2 David Glossops, Abraham or his son Thomas might be easier as I have death dates or at least places ( exept for David the Cutler- who seems to peter-out in the record).

Thank-you again,
Sally

[Hazel17]

Sally in case it helps I am looking at records in Matlock next week and all the Derbyshire wills are there.

If you have Ann Birkinshaw on the census in 1841 is she on it in 1851 - so giving you an age and place of birth. Any chance that Ann re-marries post 1837?

[alunno-a]

Thank-you!

I have Ann Glossop marriage to Joseph Birkinshaw 1786, on 1841 census both at Button Hill, she is "75". She is not on the 1851 census, and I believe she was the Ann Birkinshaw buried at Ecclesall aged 76, on 19th jul 1841 ( or june- stupidly can't read my own handwriting in my notes, and seem to have written both months!). Joseph buried same place(?), there are 2 at Ecclesall, one aged 81, one aged 78, both in 1842.
I am pretty sure this is the Ann GLOSSOP who married Joseph Burkinshaw as they bapt a son as Glossop- but can't be sure that she was daughter of David.
The remarriage was a good thought- but not for Ann unfortuneatley! I can't think of another possible relation that that idea may be applicable to either!

Thank-you for the Matlock offer- I would be really grateful, if you have time, if you could check the whereabouts and give me any details you come up with for the wills or administrations of any of these

Abraham Glossop, Farmer of Ecclesall, -  date of death not known- was originally from Staveley, Derbyshire I think, born c 1702, son of Rowland. wife Mary Binney
Thomas Glossop  son of the above- Thomas died 1804 at Ecclesall
David Glossop farmer/gamekeeper, died 1793 at Ecclesall
Rowland Glossop, died after 1734 at staveley or Ecclesall or Sheffield- wife Mary d 1734

I have seen some extracts from, and references to, other Glossop wills at Staveley, but nothing from the above.

If they have some sort of will index, if you could see if there are any William Thompson schoolmasters post 1794, I'd be really grateful!

Thank-you so much, (obviously I will reimburse you any cost in this-)

Sally

[Hazel17]

Here is the link to Derbyshire recordsoffice- the wills database is on line so you can check yourself if there are any you wanted me to look at there.

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/leisure/record_office/records/wills/default.asp

Unfortunately the earliest they hold is 1858. I forgot about the changes to will legislation at that time.

If Sarah bap 1772 had a brother Abraham and David was also son of an Abraham and the fathers are both farmers from Eccclesall then I'm guessing some sort of cousin type connection as Abraham is not the most common name even if Glossop is common to the region. I think follow both families as much as you can and link all the Glossops you can into a little mini family tree and you might be able to see where your line filters out from if you see my logic.

(However I did find a village in Dorset where the unusual forename Cornelius was very popular for some reason! So I hope the same is not true for Abraham here!)

[alunno-a]

Thank-you for that link- no one there who may be connected, but never mind. It looks like any wills relevent to this family will be at Lichfield.

As for the mini tree idea, yes, I've done that- and this family ( Abraham son of Rowland) is traceable backwards and forwards relatively easily- but there seems to be no connection by place with my family other than Sheffield in the 1790s..... my Benjamin Glossop Thompson ended up in Otley, where there seem to be no Glossops at all. And there seems no other connection with Thompsons except for a very very early marriage at Chesterfield or Dronfield- can't remember which now- that was too early to connect with mine. I've also looked at Binneys- although less sucsessfully, as I'm really not certain who Mary Binney, Abraham Glossop's wife was.- i shall keep plodding on!

Thank-you for all these ideas though, its really appreciated.

[Hazel17]

Try this list of Derbyshire wills:

http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/WILLS.htm

[alunno-a]

Yes- I've checked that one sometime ago- and the stuff recorded by Trevor Glossop. I've also seen other records of Derbyshire wills for Glossop etc and their relatives the Urtons from Norton- I know these Glossops are also called Steven in the record. However there just isnt anything on-line at the moment for the ones I really need to track down- the Ecclesall Glossops, Abraham, Rowland ( although he wouldnt be that useful unless I established the Abraham link) and Davids ( both of them)- and there are so many William Thompsons that unless I can find one specifically indexed as a Schoolmaster, or I can get a death date and place its just impossible!

Thanks though,
Sally

[jacques]

Proving difficult isn't it.

Regarding Wills try Sheffield Records Office also Derbyshire Records Office.  They used to be a site by the name Sheffield Indexers they may be of help.

Good Luck
pam

[gbwhite]

I don't think I can add any certain information, but my ggg-gm Mary Thompson 1820-82 was dr & granddr to 2 George Thompsons who were successive schoolmasters at Mosbrough (Eckington); her maternal grandmother was Ann Glossop 1761-1834, dr of Peter Glossop, linen weaver of Attercliffe. I can't find Peter's baptism, nor that of the younger George.

Geoffrey White,
Sheffield.