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Dutch ship named after a place ?
« on: Thursday 04 August 11 15:06 BST (UK) »
I came across a newspaper report in 1782 of how an ancestor of mine, a naval commander, had entered harbour with two "prize" vessels.  Not sure whether he had arrested them for smuggling or salvaged them after they were crippled in a storm.  One was reported to be the Hoogscarpel.

Could that be a corruption of the place name Hoogkarspel? 
Or does scarpel or skarpel or scharpel mean something?

It has to be said that either my ancestor's handwriting was almost indecipherable or journalists were every bit as illiterate then as now.
Another of his captures was a French ship said to be Létrebucket -- can only be Le Trébuchet, I feel!

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Re: Dutch ship named after a place ?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 August 11 15:18 BST (UK) »
Google the Battle of Saldanha Bay (1781).

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and the prizes were the Dankbaarheid, Perel, Schoonkop and Hoogscarspel, most of them armed with around 24 guns.

Hoogscarpel was attacked by a French frigate but succeeded in getting to Mount's Bay where she was escorted.
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Re: Dutch ship named after a place ?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 August 11 15:33 BST (UK) »
That's great!  Dankbaarheid was the other ship he escorted into Mount's Bay (now I'm going to have to find out where that is), except that the newspaper report spelled it Daankbarheyd, which I knew had to be wrong.

Apparently the French ship was a privateer with a largely Irish crew.
It nearly managed to wrest the prizes from the Ariel, but was seen off.

Wish I'd paid a bit more attention in history lessons at school
-- except that they seldom tried to teach us anything interesting.
Bagwell of Kilmore & Lisronagh, Co. Tipperary;  Beatty from Enniskillen;  Brown from Preston, Lancs.;  Burke of Ballydugan, Co. Galway;  Casement in the IoM and Co. Antrim;  Davison of Knockboy, Broughshane;  Frobisher;  Guillemard;  Harrison in Co. Antrim and Dublin;  Jones around Burton Pedwardine, Lincs.;  Lindesay of Loughry;  Newcomen of Camlagh, Co. Roscommon;  Shield;  Watson from Kidderminster;  Wilkinson from Leeds

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Re: Dutch ship named after a place ?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 August 11 15:39 BST (UK) »
Doesn't translate properly as far as I can see! (I live in NL)

Spel means game; hoog means high.

Scar and schar are very different sounds - well, in Dutch, anyway! ;D

Might have to ask in the pub tonight!
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Re: Dutch ship named after a place ?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 August 11 15:46 BST (UK) »
Mounts Bay - south coast of Cornwall, near Penzance.  Just been there  on my hols   :)

St Michael's Mount is the bump in  the middle of the pic!

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BRETT - Kent & County Durham
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Re: Dutch ship named after a place ?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 August 11 16:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Danuslave.

Things are coming together now.
Later that year he was made a freeman of the city of Limerick,
I think in gratitude for protecting the ships trading with the port.
It seems piracy was rife.
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Re: Dutch ship named after a place ?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 August 11 17:39 BST (UK) »
Dankbaarheid = gratitude
Perel = Pearl
Schoonkop = Clean Cup?
Hoogscarspel = literally High Game Cars?!
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Re: Dutch ship named after a place ?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 August 11 18:35 BST (UK) »
Ik kan geen nederlands, but I don't think much of your "translation", KGarrad.

Schoonkop = Fair Head.
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Re: Dutch ship named after a place ?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 August 11 21:19 BST (UK) »
I'll give you kop = head, but schoon = fair?!?!

Schoon = clean whenever I see it.
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