joseph owen and maggie

[daveo]

Hello,
i am looking for info .on my grandfathers brother.
he was Joseph Owen born in treharris  (llanfabon parish ) in c1893
one of 5 children born to Thomas Owen and Jane Jones.
the other children were.
john
maggie
catherine jane and thomas

i have traced most of them up to fairly recent time except for maggie
i know she was married (no married name ) and she died on the DURBAN CASTLE ship returning to south africa and was buried at sea c 1952 cant trace her either .
any suggestions on how to go about this?
regards
daveo

[CaroleW]

Re: Joseph

Is he on the 1911 census? 

Have you checked freebmd for a marriage for him

You haven't given any birthyear for Maggie/Margaret - have you checked freebmd for a marriage?

[Morganllan]

Hello daveo 

Is this him in 1901?

12 John St, Merthyr T

Thomas Owen Head age 37 born Llangurig, Montgomeryshire  Coal miner hewer
John Owen Son age 15 born Treharris  Coal Miner
Catherine Owen Dau age 12 born Treharris
Thomas Owen Son age 11 born Treharris
Joseph Owen Son age 8 born Treharris
Harriet L Bray Housekeeper age 44 born Dymock, Worcs  Domestic Servant

RG13 Piece 5026 Folio 160 Page 14

Kind Regards
Morgan

[Morganllan]

I can't see Maggie on 1901 or 1891 

1891
12 John St, Merthyr T

Thomas Owen age 27 born Darowen, Montgomeryshire  cCoal Miner
Jane Owen age   26 born Llanfabon
John Owen age   6 born Llanfabon
Catherine Jane Owen age 2 born Llanfabon
Thomas Owen age 5 months born Merthyr

plus some boarders

RG12 Piece 4435 Folio 60 Page 29

[daveo]

Hello Morganllan,
thanks for the reply ....yes this is the family and i am up to date on the 1901 census.John was my grandfather Cassie was an opera singer and thomas worked for the railways.
Maggie was born in 1887 and on the1891 census she is with her grandfather john jones at 105,tramside quakers yard but shown as a niece, on the 1901 at 29 craig houses as an adopted daughter aged 14 with john and mary jones her grand parents.
Not having seen the 1911 census i have now lost the trail.
From other contacts i have heard  she emigrated to south africa and had some dealing with a race course and other businesses...i think a theatre or picture house but i cant prove it.
All i know is she was well todo (i think) but dont know her married name.....
there cannot be many people buried at sea off the" durban castle" around that time.ie 1952 ish

thanks again
daveo

[daveo]

Hi CaroleW,
as suggested i looked at the BMD site and have a few promesing names i am going to try the pontyprydd ones first then look at the merthyr tydfil names and see what comes up
thank you
regards
daveo

[daveo]

Hello CaroleW,
Just to let you know that i took your advice and looked for Margaret on the Free BMD and have found an entry for a birth and marriage foe margaret.
someone posted a message on another site looking forhis grandad who had run away to south Africa and they were looking for a birth certificate  and my Margaret turned out to be the mother.
i shall be at the pontypridd reg.office tomorrow.
I have tried to contact the other person but no rely as to yet.
thanks for your help and i will keep you posted
regards
daveo

[daveo]

Thanks for the help.....
I have now today a birth cert and marriage cert for Margaret Mary owen born 25/10/1886 and her marriage to Thomas Henry Richards at pontypridd 10/9/1906.
My assumption that because on the 1891 and1901 census said maggie that that had to be her name.........How wrong could i have been.
 trying now to get in touch with Charles Richards whos grand parents appear to be the same
kindest regards
daveo