Rev. John Jones, Talysarn

[despair]

I noticed that in the bond at NLW for Richard Edwards (1838) that one of the executors(?) is Evan Williams of Llanfihangel y Pennant.I wonder if this is Rachel's grandfather?


Regards
Roger

[llynboy]

Could well be. The parishes of Dolbenmaen, Penmorfa and Llanfihangel y Pennant are interchangeable in terms of which parish properties belong to. If you pick a property in 1841 and go through to 1911 you may find it in all three parishes over time. It's worse than Llangybi and Llanarmon!

thanks again- your latest find is a great help.


regards


David

[llynboy]

Evan Williams was born ca 1790 (this going off the 1841 census so + or - 5 years) so he was probably a brother of Jane Williams of Brynrhydd. This could well be the salient marriage bond


Williams, Evan, bach., farmer, Llanarmon, Caernarfonshire to Jones, Mary, sp., Llanfihangel y Pennant, Caernarfonshire : 1813 Dec. 23. 

from the NLW website http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon


regards

David

[llynboy]

And this is probably the baptism of Jane Williams - mother of Rachel Paynter at Llanfihangel y Pennant 15/02/1814 to Evan and Mary Williams on https://familysearch.org/search/records#count=25&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajane~%20%2Bbatch_number%3AC090521&offset=25

the Hugh Wallis IGI website.

regards

David

[despair]

Seems a reasonable working hypothesis.I do wonder whether"cousin" at this time was necessarily the same as the current convention,and of course it doesn't say what degree of cousin.In the 1851 census John Edwards is down as son-in-law,wheras currently he would be a step-son.
I also wondered what happened to Evan and Mary-perhaps they emigrated to the USA like many.

Regards
Roger   

[despair]

I came to the same conclusion re Mary Jones and I think she is the daughter of Griffith Jones and Grace of Cae Eithin Tew,1823 will at NLW.

Regards
Roger

[llynboy]

Jane Williams mother of John Edwards did remarry following the death of her husband. She married Robert Griffith of Penllech parish in December 1838 following the death of Richard Edwards. They're at Brynrhydd in 1841 before moving to Llys Patrick, Abererch by 1851 and then on to the High Street in Bangor. So John Edwards was actually a step son in 1851, but you're right son in law was used quite a lot back then.


regards


David

[llynboy]

I think I sent a reply that got held up but I've sent it now (regarding son in law and step son). One of Rachel Paynter's sisters was born in Cae Eithin Tew in 1839 and she was called Grace too. I think that this is the link. It would be good to find a baptism for Richard Edwards in ca 1802 just to seal it.


regards and thanks ever so much.


david

[despair]

Can't find anything further at the moment.Will try again tomorrow.

Regards
Roger