Edward Mostyn THELWELL born 1844

[Rol]

With ref. to Gnu's Reply 16 on p.2 of this thread -- viz

A possible on the IGI (and pilot) for [Sophia] Rebecca

Baptism 4 July 1824 Oswestry Rebecca Owen d/o William Owen and Rebecca

Not  found anything worthwhile on a search for Tryphena - a few Ancestry trees but nothing much apart from marrying a Tanner and emigrating to Australia. Her death record in Malvern, Victoria only has her parents as unknown Owen.

I'm thinking that Rebecca's surname might possiibly be Mostyn


gnu
 

Added - A strange  patron submission on the IGI

Rebecca Mostyn-Owen b. about 1777, Woodhouse, Shropshire

Parents - William Mostyn-Owen and Rebecca Dodd

 -- the same secondary source as I cited above in Reply 30 ties Sophia Rebecca reasonably firmly into the Owen of Woodhouse family.  But it does so via a different page which is not properly linked to the Thelwall pedigree as a cross-reference in the database.

Following the link from there upwards to her father reveals the full list of her siblings -- 13 of them,  including dates of birth.  Of those in the house with (Sophia) Rebecca at Oswestry in 1841,  Tryphena Owen is shown as b. 17 Oct. 1825,  Rupert Mostyn Owen as b. 15 Nov. 1832,  Julia Owen and Llewelyn Mostyn Owen as twins b. 4 July 1836,  and Harriett Jessie Owen as b. 12 August 1838 (surnames repeated for the benefit of the search engines ).

If one clicks on the name of her husband Bevis on Sophia Rebecca's own page it becomes apparent that the source used for her marriage was Joseph Morris's 19th c. collection of Shropshire pedigrees,  now kept at Shrewsbury Record Office.

(Morris has a secure place in my pantheon of genealogical heroes as the man who saved one of the best 17th c. pedigree collections focused on NE Wales,  by making a painstaking MS copy of the Salusbury Book of Pedigrees in the library at Wynnstay just a few years before most of the house,  including the priceless contents of the library,  burned to the ground in 1858.  His two-volume copy is now NLW Wynnstay MSS. 143-4 -- and I never tire of citing it!)


Rol

[Gen List Lass]

gnu - you wrote this yesterday

Excerpt from the Wrexham and Denbighsire Advertizer, Saturday 23 March 1861

DEATHS
On the 18th inst., at Rossett, in her 38th year, Sophia Rebecca, the wife of Bevis H Thelwall, esq., coroner for the county of Denbigh.

Lots of other refs to the family in the 19th century collection

Did you mean the online newspapers at the Gale site? If so, I cannot find any publication called Wrexham and Denbighshire Advertiser.

Gen in NBL England

[wilcoxon]

I'm starting to wonder whether Bevis Heywood had another short-lived wife between Sophia Rebecca and Margaret Hughes.... just a thought.

Gen n NBL England

Margaret ? his wife was Frances Hughes.

[Gen List Lass]

wilcoxon

Yes Frances, not Margaret.

Getting a bit off topic here as I'm only interested in the union of the Thelwells with Sarah Fenwick nee Hilton.....


But it's been a real roller coaster of a ride through the Thelwells and Wales!

Gen in NBl England

[Gadget]

gnu - you wrote this yesterday

Excerpt from the Wrexham and Denbighsire Advertizer, Saturday 23 March 1861

DEATHS
On the 18th inst., at Rossett, in her 38th year, Sophia Rebecca, the wife of Bevis H Thelwall, esq., coroner for the county of Denbigh.

Lots of other refs to the family in the 19th century collection

Did you mean the online newspapers at the Gale site? If so, I cannot find any publication called Wrexham and Denbighshire Advertiser.

Gen in NBL England

If you search the publications by location and click on Wales and then click on Wrexham, you'll find it.   
It's indexed as the Wrexham Weekly Advertiser but it changes it's title.  Just click on it and search for Thelwall and then People.

I didn't make it up.   

gnu

PS - I see that I wrote Denbighsire instead of Denbighshire

[Gadget]

With ref. to Gnu's Reply 16 on p.2 of this thread -- viz

A possible on the IGI (and pilot) for [Sophia] Rebecca

Baptism 4 July 1824 Oswestry Rebecca Owen d/o William Owen and Rebecca

Not  found anything worthwhile on a search for Tryphena - a few Ancestry trees but nothing much apart from marrying a Tanner and emigrating to Australia. Her death record in Malvern, Victoria only has her parents as unknown Owen.

I'm thinking that Rebecca's surname might possiibly be Mostyn


gnu
 

Added - A strange  patron submission on the IGI

Rebecca Mostyn-Owen b. about 1777, Woodhouse, Shropshire

Parents - William Mostyn-Owen and Rebecca Dodd

 -- the same secondary source as I cited above in Reply 30 ties Sophia Rebecca reasonably firmly into the Owen of Woodhouse family.  But it does so via a different page which is not properly linked to the Thelwall pedigree as a cross-reference in the database.

Following the link from there upwards to her father reveals the full list of her siblings -- 13 of them,  including dates of birth.  Of those in the house with (Sophia) Rebecca at Oswestry in 1841,  Tryphena Owen is shown as b. 17 Oct. 1825,  Rupert Mostyn Owen as b. 15 Nov. 1832,  Julia Owen and Llewelyn Mostyn Owen as twins b. 4 July 1836,  and Harriett Jessie Owen as b. 12 August 1838 (surnames repeated for the benefit of the search engines ).

If one clicks on the name of her husband Bevis on Sophia Rebecca's own page it becomes apparent that the source used for her marriage was Joseph Morris's 19th c. collection of Shropshire pedigrees,  now kept at Shrewsbury Record Office.

(Morris has a secure place in my pantheon of genealogical heroes as the man who saved one of the best 17th c. pedigree collections focused on NE Wales,  by making a painstaking MS copy of the Salusbury Book of Pedigrees in the library at Wynnstay just a few years before most of the house,  including the priceless contents of the library,  burned to the ground in 1858.  His two-volume copy is now NLW Wynnstay MSS. 143-4 -- and I never tire of citing it!)


Rol

You and your Salusburys, Rol!   I think my Pulestons and Glyndwrs are in there as well.

I think Gen might have overlooked this piece of information about Edward's mother so bringing up again 

gnu

[Gen List Lass]

gnu

I found this newspaper Newyddion Cymreig, is that the one you meant?

Lots of Thelwell articles BUT I don't read Welsh, the only ones in English aren't very interesting, all the good bits are in Welsh:-)

What did I overlook in his mothers notes? I'm really only interested in the Fenwick-Hilton-Thelwell link, not the whole lineage of Thelwell's in Wales:-)

Just fascinated that the family had solicitors and criminals on the same twig.

Gen in NBL England

[Gadget]

No it's not -

Click on Wales and then Wrexham and then Wrexham Weekly Advertiser

Then:

*put Thelwall in the search box (to the left)
* then click on People and it will reduce the number of entries
* go to the Saturday 23 March 1861 entry - about half way down the list
*scroll down until you get the highlighted name in the Deaths column.

It's title is slightly different by then

Sorry - I really don't know why you can't find it. You must use the system in a differenct way.


gnu

[Gen List Lass]

I get the option of Wales then 4 counties one of them being Denbighshire then it lists one newspaper. Wrexham doesn't come into it at all.

Never mind, I have loads of info on the family now, enough to satisfy most.

Thanks for all your help
Gen in NBL England