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Re: Place names ~ Pronunciation, Accents, and problems
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 13:46 BST (UK) »
Surely the correct pronunciation of a place name is the way the locals pronounce it.  Bath is thus one place name which northerners pronounce incorrectly even if they need to call the place they wash by a different name.

In that case, we should all refer to Paree, Roma, Maskvá (with stress on second syllable) and so on, rather than Pariss, Rome and Moscow. And, with Moscow in particular, do we have to say 'This is Maskva', 'I live in Maskve', 'I'm travelling to Maskvu' and 'I'm from Maskvy'? If the only correct way to say it is like the locals do, then I guess we do.  ;)

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Re: Place names ~ Pronunciation, Accents, and problems
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 14:03 BST (UK) »
Surely the correct pronunciation of a place name is the way the locals pronounce it.  Bath is thus one place name which northerners pronounce incorrectly even if they need to call the place they wash by a different name.

In that case, we should all refer to Paree, Roma, Maskvá (with stress on second syllable) and so on, rather than Pariss, Rome and Moscow. And, with Moscow in particular, do we have to say 'This is Maskva', 'I live in Maskve', 'I'm travelling to Maskvu' and 'I'm from Maskvy'? If the only correct way to say it is like the locals do, then I guess we do.  ;)

It would save a huge number of problems if that convention were to be adopted.  However I was simply reacting to the continual assertion by northerners that the city of Bath should have its name pronounced their way even by southerners, as in the post by scouseboy to which I was objecting.
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Re: Place names ~ Pronunciation, Accents, and problems
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 14:06 BST (UK) »
In Somerset, or at least the part I grew up in  ;D, its pronounced Bath with a short a.

Definitely not Baaath! or Barth!
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Re: Place names ~ Pronunciation, Accents, and problems
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 14:19 BST (UK) »
In Somerset, or at least the part I grew up in  ;D, its pronounced Bath with a short a.

Definitely not Baaath! or Barth!

A short "a" yes but surely not pronounced the same way as the "a" in "at".  My Somerset relatives just shorten the actual vowel without changing its pronunciation to the northern sound.  Whereas those from Brizzle (sorry Bristol) seem to lose the "a" altogether and just have a string of consonants pronounced Bth.
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Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
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Re: Place names ~ Pronunciation, Accents, and problems
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 14:28 BST (UK) »
That's probably my problem, then!
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Re: Place names ~ Pronunciation, Accents, and problems
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 14:41 BST (UK) »



Surely the correct pronunciation of a place name is the way the locals pronounce it.  Bath is thus one place name which northerners pronounce incorrectly even if they need to call the place they wash by a different name.

For information of the southerners THERE IS NO R IN  BATH!!! There may sometimes be a P, but we northerners leave that to southerners!
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Re: Place names ~ Pronunciation, Accents, and problems
« Reply #51 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 15:26 BST (UK) »
As a Scot I have got used to the English pronounciation of the word LOCH as LOCK. 
It is understandable that they just can't produce the correct CH sound.
But I can't understand why they tend to miss the second R from LIBRARY and the first R from FEBRUARY.
Can anyone explain it?
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Re: Place names ~ Pronunciation, Accents, and problems
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 15:31 BST (UK) »
Then there's always the county town of Norfolk, which according to the locals is pronounced Narch.

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Re: Place names ~ Pronunciation, Accents, and problems
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 16:02 BST (UK) »

But I can't understand why they tend to miss the second R from LIBRARY and the first R from FEBRUARY.
Can anyone explain it?
Sy
Laziness which has morphed into usage I suggest.
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