Redding Family of Birmingham (someimes spelt Reading)

[ChristinaJ]

My great great grandfather was William Redding Born 1821) and he married Ellen Kelly (Born C1819 Ireland).  Cannot find any trace of their marriage.  I know that George, their one son was christianed in St Catherines RC Church in 1851 so assume they married in RC Church, although William was Baptist.  They had two other children Elizabeth (born C 1847) and Thomas (C1842), and cannot trace their registration on BMD.  Any help would be appreciated.

And finally, on the marriage certificate for George, he married Sarah Ann Davis again at St Catherines RC Church in 1873, William is listed as a Soldier, as he is on George's birth certificate, and Georges marriage lines for his second marriage.  Any ideas of how I can trace him being a Soldier? 

Many thanks.  Regards  Christina

[garstonite]

I could only find one possible on Familysearch -Advanced Search..William Redding/Reading to an Ellen

William Reading to Ellen Cotter 9th June 1839 All Souls ,Saint Marylebone,London...it`s very doubtful  I admit, but could Ellen have been marrried before ?....can I ask ,if you don`t have a marriage ...how do you know Ellen was nee Kelly ?
allan

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

A possible birth for Thomas,

Thomas RIDDING    Dec Q 1842     Birmingham    16  312


and one for Elizabeth,

Elizabeth READING    Jun Q 1847     Birmingham    16  328



Is this the family in 1861?


1861  RG9/2148  f.109  p.6 + f.110  p.11  Birmingham
Froggets Buildings, Bromley? St

Ellen READING     Head    Un    42                           Ireland
Elizabeth  "         Daur    Un    14    Gen Servant      Warwickshire Birmingham
Thomas READING  Son           19    Labourer            Warwickshire Birmingham
George     "          Son            8    Nailmaker                    "               "



Where are they in 1851?  The best I could find was transcribed on Ancestry as EDDWG

HO107/2053  f.514  p.49  Birmingham St Martin
Alison St

?EDDING
Wm     Head   M    44    Chelsea Pensioner    Canterbury
Ellen    Wife    M    33                                Ireland
Josp     Son    U    15    Labourer                    "
Wm      Son    U    13          "                      Portsmouth
Elizth   Daur    U     5                                 Birmingham
Th??     Son    U     2                                     "       


Some of the 1851 doesn't seem to fit but in 1871 it looks like Ellen is living with her son William.

If the 1851 is right and William Jnr is born in Portsmouth, I found this RC marriage which would fit but Ellen's name is CAREY rather than KELLY.  I wonder who was Josp? Joseph? mother or if he was Ellen CAREY's son?


William REDDING    Dec Q 1837     Portsea Island    7  261
Ellen CAREY


Marriage:  14 NOV 1837   R C, Portsea, Hampshire

Gulielmum REDDING
Father:  Georgium REDDING 
Mother:  Elizebeth   
 
Ellenam CAREY
Father:  Thomae CAREYELIZ   
Mother:  Elizebeth 
 
I can't see the image so wonder if the transcriber just started writing Elizebeth straight after CAREY.


Birth
William REDDING    Jun Q 1838    Portsea Island    7  151

GRO Regimental Birth Indices
William REDDING
Regiment:  90th Light Infantry
Place:  Portsmouth, Emgland
Year:  1838
Volume:  1256 
Page:  51 
 
Gulielmus REDDING
Birth:  29 MAY 1838     
Christening:  06 JUN 1838   Portsea-Rc, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  Guliemi REDDING   
Mother:  Helenae KERRY


I found this William REDDING who although was born in Kent seems to have moved to Warwickshire

William REDDING No: 464
By trade a Labourer
Born in Canterbury Kent
Attested for the 90th Regiment Light Infantry at Coventry, Warwick on the 3rd May 1826 at the age of 18
Discharged 23rd September 1845 aged 40


Of course if it isn't the right 1851 census then all this could be wrong, so I'm sorry if it's just a wild goose chase.


Regards,
Daisy

[ChristinaJ]

Thanks for your reply Daisy, I'll have a look at this.  It definitely says Kelly on the birth certificates. Yes on the 1861 Census it is Ellen with her children, Thomas, Elizabeth and George.  William was definitely born in Birmingham C1821. Back to the drawing board, but thanks for the other stuff really is appreciated.

Regards
Chris

[ChristinaJ]

I could only find one possible on Familysearch -Advanced Search..William Redding/Reading to an Ellen

William Reading to Ellen Cotter 9th June 1839 All Souls ,Saint Marylebone,London...it`s very doubtful  I admit, but could Ellen have been marrried before ?....can I ask ,if you don`t have a marriage ...how do you know Ellen was nee Kelly ?
allan

Thanks for your reply.  I know it is Kelly as I've my great grandfathers birth certificate, which gives Ellen Redding nee Kelly.  William was definitely born in Birmingham. Digbeth/Deritend area, all my maternal side come from the area.  Thanks for trying to help.  Regards. Chris

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

I hope you don't mind me asking but how do you know that the William married to Ellen was born in 1821 in Birmingham, do you have them together on any census?

Have you seen the christening record for your GGrandfather, is that George? and does it show the mother's maiden name? I just wonder if KELLY could have been misheard or mistranscribed on the birth certificate.

I realise that my 1851 etc theory might be wrong but just because William Snr was born in Canterbury he enlisted in Warwickshire so that might have been his family home, his father could also have been a soldier.


Sorry for all the questions but the more info we have the more we might be able to find. Do you have a baptism for the William born in 1821?


Daisy

[ChristinaJ]

Hi Daisy, no worries, pleased that you are trying to help me.

Right here goes.  William was born 1821 to Samuel and Elizabeth (Brooks).  He was baptised at Canon Street Meeting House (Baptist), Birmingham. I've a copy of the birth certificate of William and Ellen's son George born in 1851 and it says Ellen Redding formerly Kelly. 

Hope this is of help.

Regards

Chris
 

[Daisypetal]

Ok, I can find William's birthdate and I can see him with Samuel and Elizabeth in 1841 he is a die sinker. I think I can see this William, a die sinker in 1851 and 1861 but married to a Caroline,


1851  HO107/2050  f.25  p.43  Harborne, Staffordshire
York Street

READING
William    Head    29    Journeyman Die Sinker    Warwick Birmingham
Caroline   Wife    30                                           "            "
William      Son     4    Scholar                              "            "
Caroline   Daur     2         "                                  "            "
Alfred       Son     11mo                                           Saffron Harborn
Emily WALDRON    Servant    14    Domestic Servant        "         "



1861  RG9/2165  f.72  p.41  Birmingham, Warwickshire
15 Regent Roade

READING
William    Head    39    Stamper? piercer & Die Sinker                   Birmingham
                                   master employing 2 men ? boys & 22 girls
Caroline   Wife    40                                                                     "
William     Son    14    Employed by father                                        "
Caroline  Daur    12    Scholar                                                        "
Alfred      Son    11         "                                         Staffordsh Harborne
Mary A    Daur     8          "                                              "          "
Samuel    Son     7           "                                              "          "
Ann E     Daur     5mo                                                Birmingham






I'm sorry but I still can't see how you know that William son of Samuel and Elizabeth is the father of George, there are alot of William REDDING/READINGs out there

What address does it show on George's birth certificate?

Daisy

[ChristinaJ]

Hello Daisy, thanks for your reply.  As you say there are so many William Redding/Readings out there, and you should see the names in my Hanson and Jobbins family!.  So here goes with William being son to Samuel and Elizabeth (Brooks).

Samuel (born 1784 Father Samuel, mother Mary Guest)
Elizabeth Brooks.
Married 20/8/1808.
Children:
Samuel - 1809
John - 1810
Rebecca - 1812
Elizabeh - 1814
Alexander Whitworth - 1819
William - 1821 (ancestral line)
Lydia -1823 to 1825
James185
Thomas - 1827
Mary Ann- 1830

I've I've the marriages and offspring for the others too.

George (son to Elliam and Ellen) was born on 21st September 1851 and the address give is 17 Court (back to back houses) Allison STreet, which is Digbeth/Deritend.  All of the Reading family more or less came from that area.

Don't know who the William married to Caroline is. 

It gets even more complicated when you find ancestors immigrating to Oz, Nz, Canada, USA, Italy and then moving from NZ to Canada!

Who said anestry was easy!

Really do appreciate your help.

Regards

Chris