OATES/OTES, Joan/Jone - COMPLETE

[wjcooper16]

Hi

In my tree I have a Joan Oates marrying Paskow Tonkin 19 Aug 1699, St. Just in Penwith, Cornwall.   

Using the usual sources (Cornwall OPC & Familysearch) I have found a Jone Otes baptised 14 Apr 1672  f=Thomas, m=Alce/Alls Cock. St. Just.

In my searching I also came across a lot of public trees which have Joan Oats bap. 14 Apr 1672 with parents MARTIN OATS and JANE RAWLYN/RAWLIN.   I have looked closely at these trees on Ancestry and cannot find a single one that quotes the source of their information and I cannot find any records that support their claims. 

I did find a JOHN OTES Bap. 19 Oct 1672 f=Martin m=Jane, but definitely NO Joan/Jone.

With so many trees appearing with the same information I'm worried I've missed something so I'm hoping someone else out there can help me verify or dispel these findings so I can move on knowing I have properly checked my facts.      Wendy

[Jeuel]

Your sources seem sound.  Just because something is repeated endlessly doesn't mean its right.

I've found a lot of trees on Ancestry giving the wrong bride (and birthplace for bride) for one of my relatives.  When the Norfolk parish registers came online I checked and found the bride I thought was right in both the baptism and marriage records and her baptism was the same birthplace as the marriage and the couple's home in censuses.

The "wrong" parish and bride prove not to have existed at all!

I think someone got the wrong information from somewhere and all the other people happily copied it without checking.

Your Jone's baptism and marriage seem to fit so I'd go with that.  By the way, I love the name Paskow Tonkin!

[wjcooper16]

Hi Jeuel,

Thanks for your supportive comments. I will push on.  It was interesting to note that the un-sourced trees lead back to William the Conqueror so I get that for some it would be very nice to have such illustrious ancestors, but I just want my tree to be as accurate as possible.

You're right, Paskow Tonkin is a great name, unfortunately, many in the family thought the same. There are quite afew in the same area and time frame which certainly makes for interesting research.

cheers from downunder.  Wendy

[white]

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[TigerOC]

The correct info is that she was the daughter of Thomas OATES and Alls COCK bpt 14 April 1672 Baptism record documents that her father, Thomas, as being Thomas jnr. This identifies Thomas as son of Thomas born circa 1599. She is recorded as Jone OTES in the baptism record.

Her marriage record shows a marriage to Pascow JENKIN (likely this is a transcription error for TONKIN)  19 Aug 1699.

Martin was Jone's uncle, brother of Thomas, but didn't have any daughters. He died 1678 and refers to his sons John and Martin and an unborn child in his Will. The child was another son, William.

This research material originates from the late Geoff McKee who headed up the St Just Research Group of the CFHS and had access to most of the original material and was related to this line himself.

Hope this clears this up for you.

Rob

www.oats.org.uk/phpGedView/

[wjcooper16]

thanks Rob, for confirming my findings,

and a very big thank you to Roy White for the amazing contribution he has made to my research.

I am more than confident that I am on the right track............

Wendy.

[TigerOC]

No probs Wendy.

Have just approved entry into my database so hope you find it useful.

Many (most) of the OAT(E)S families from this area have their origins in another couple, John and Mary COCK. Now John was born about 1600. Since records are pretty scant for this early period it is difficult to determine relationships but it is believed that Thomas and John are siblings and their father was one John born around 1580.

There is also some conjecture that this family is part of the GRENFELL dynasty and that John had married a GRENFELL and changed his identity around 1608 and took the name GRENFELL and in fact is the origin of many of the GRENFELL clan from this area.