George SUMMERS

[jel]

Hi JM, You have given me a LOT to think about. Thanks again for the link you gave me on the Victoria reseaarch. I paid $15 and looked up deaths in Victoria for David and Janet Summers but came up with nothng. I also wonderd abt the Henderson in the 1851 census but just thought they may have asked her for her maiden name. In the 1851 census David is listed as a "lodger" with Thomas Henderson and family. I thought the Thomas could be Janet's brother (I will check) I wondered why David was a lodger there, still lists him as a "Baker -journeyman"

Still pouring over shipping lists. I have a David Summer and Mrs Summe, departing Melbourne and arriving in NSW in 1856 but no George or family. George was abt 18 at the time and could have done his own thing.

In 1862 I have a George arriving in Melbourne with birthdate shown as abt 1844 (he was born 1838) If he spent the first 10 years in Victoria he should have arrived in the 1850's. Departure Port of Dunedin, Scotland
In 1866 there is a George Summers and Mrs Summers arriving in NSW Port of Departure Brisbane!!
So, all sorts of possibilities. Your divorce theory crossed my mind as well. Thanks again for your input. Janet

I will probably land up ordering the DC's but it's pretty expensive to order cert's in the end that don't belong to one's family so I have been hoping to find some other info before I try that.

[jel]

Hi JM

Me again, no I don't have any evidence at all that George summers parents came out to Australia or anywhere else but they disappeared off the census records after 1851. I can definitely look into the possibility of a name change for janet Summers being Henderson or Young .... I would think Hensderson though unless she got married AGAIN and I guess I should check that out as well. David could have got married again too. there are so many possibilities it's frightening!
Janet

[mattt]

Hi Janet

I'm not sure what you've found since you posted in this thread, so you might already know what I'm posting. I know a bit about the family through the connection of Margaret Young, George's step sister.

The Melbourne newspaper Argus of 22 September 1855 lists the marriage of Margaret Young, "only daughter of the late Alexander Young, of Bristo-street, Edinburgh" to Rev. James Nish.  In a notice for the same marriage in the Bendigo Advertiser Margaret's father is stated to be a baker.  This is consistent with her father being the baker Alexander Young of 55 Bristo St Edinburgh who was the first husband of the Janet at the same address.  (And this Janet also being the mother of George Summers.)

An obituary of Margaret Young (Margaret Nish after her marriage), has some details of the family history (Bendigo Advertiser 11 January 1915 "Death of Mrs Nish").  In it says: Margaret "was born in Edinburgh on 19th December, 1831, and arrived in Melbourne with her mother (Mrs. Young) and her four brothers on 8th November 1854. They came to Bendigo shortly afterwards, and her eldest brother (Mr. John Young) became well known as the proprietor of a crushing machine at Kangaroo Flat."

These four brothers seem likely to to be the brothers listed in the 1941 census record for "55  Bisto St" Edinburgh: George Summers, John Young, Alexander Young and James Young.

There is no mention of David Summers coming out to Australia in the obituary.

Margaret had a daughter Janet Henderson Nish who married in 1883.  I presume the names 'Janet' and 'Henderson' were chosen because of Margaret's mother's given name and maiden name.

I have some family photographs taken in Scotland that probably belonged to Margaret Young or her mother but they are not labelled, so its hard to work out who they are.

Matt

[jel]

Hi Matt
I am so thrilled to have received your reply! Thank you so much. I have searched and searched the shipping records and haven't been able to find when Janet and her family immigrated to Australia. Do you know what ship they were on? I also wasn't sure if she would be listed as "YOung" or "Summers" I found it strange that she was buried as 'Young". I went to Bendigo last year and saw the grave and also saw Nish Street. David Summers died in Scotland in 1856 so he and Janet must have separated or divorced. That explains her using the name of "Young". How are you related to Margaret Young? I would love to see the photo's but how can that be managed?
Thanks again for contacting me, I am really so pleased about it.
Kind regards Janet Lee

[jel]

Hi Matt
I have managed to go back to 1730 with the Summers family in Scotland. David was born in 1812 and died of TB at the Errol Station in 1856. His mother died when he was 2 years old and his father married again to Margaret Lindsay in 1818. I think he was on his way to visit or was staying with members of the Lindsay family  and Summers family at Errol Station when he died. See 1841 and 1861 census. Do you know who John Young married and James Young? I think Alexander Young married Kate Wallace. I have the Wills of the Rev Nish and Margaret Nish. I wish I could find George Summers in Victoria. According to his death cert he lived in Victoria for ten years when he arrived in Australia. George Summers married Elizabeth Peisley in Orange. Her father, John Peter Peisley, was the first Mayor of Orange in 1861. Regards Janet

[mattt]

Hi Janet

Thanks for responding and sharing your research.  Like you I've tried without success to find out what ship they were on when they emigrated.  Margaret Young is my great-great grandmother.  Sorry, I don't know who John Young and James Young married, but I'm looking.

I scanned nine of the photos today.  These ones were taken in Australia, mainly in Bendigo and Melbourne, but also one in Sydney.  I'd be happy to send you a copy but not sure how this is best done (I'm new to Rootschat) . None of the photos I've scanned have names or dates but the place is usually given with the photographic studio information printed on the back.

Matt

[jel]

Hi Matt

That is so great to know that Margaret is your g g grandmother. I also get quite confused with Rootschat, don't know what's going on half the time.
I spent the whole day trying to find the ship that Margaret would have come on. I think I found the death of James in 1877. Said he was the "brother of John". Saw it in the Trove newspapers. I think David Summers and Janet must already have separated by the 1851 census as she is living only with her children and her name in the census is her maiden name of Henderson.
regards Janet

[mattt]

Hi Janet

Thanks for the update.  I'll send you the photos.

By the way, it might be worth you editing your last post so that your email address is not in plain view.  (Because some people 'harvest' email addresses from public web pages to use for spam).  To edit your message click the 'modify' button for that post when you are already logged in.

Matt

[jel]

Thanks for the tip. I didn't like to do that but I didn't know another way to get in touch with you. It's not my normal email address so I will be in touch. I am looking forward to seeing the photo's.
Regards
Janet