Liverpool's Horse-drawn Tramways 1880-1890

[pirhana]

Off Whitefield Road, Liverpool is a very small street called Franklin Place. There is or recently was a disused pub called the Peel next to it . Even today Franklin Place  is still cobbled and has a very small stretch of tram track set in it. This is because in the late C19th it was the entrance to one of the stables of the Liverpool Tramway Company when the trams were still horse drawn. My great-grandfather was living in Franklin Place at the time of the 1881 and 1891 censuses. He worked as a blacksmith , but there were other people living in Franklin Place some of whom also worked for the tram company. I'd be interested to hear from anyone whose ancestors also worked for the tram company particularly when the trams were still pulled by horses or who lived or worked in the area of Whitefield Road or Franklin Place at the end of the C19th. I believe that the Peel pub was built in the Victorian period.

[ScouseBoy]

I have a birth certificate  in front of me now  for a birth date of 8th december 1881.  The father is James Hughes, Occupation Bus Driver.  Place of birth and home  16 Every Street, West Derby.

I have reason to believe that Liverpool City Council still had Horse drawn Bin Lorries in the 1850s,  not on tramways but just thought that you would be interested.

[ScouseBoy]

pirhana,  can you please give me an idea which district Franklin Place is in please?

One of the Merseyside museums  may have photos or even  a carriage   from the horse drawn tramways.

[andrewalston]

Google Earch has "Franklin Pl, Liverpool" in its database. The tram tracks are visible in StreetView.

[ainslie]

Franklin Place is off Whitefield Road, Breckfield?
In 1909 the pub was there, no name in the official Licensing Book, owned by Threfalls Brewery and managed for them by Ellen Keys.
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[pirhana]

Hello and thanks for replying and for information provided.
To Scouse Boy Franklin Place is a little "blip" of a street off Whitefield Road - no longer than 25 yards I'd say. If you type in the postcode L6 5DB on Google Maps you're there and as andrewalston says you can see the tram tracks on Google Street View.

Pirhana.

[Jean McGurn]

My g grandmothers uncle Edward Owens was Traffic Manager of Liverpool Tramways until he died in Aug 1897 aged 64 yrs.

I have been trying to find out when he was appointed and so far have been unsuccessful.

Jean

[hanes teulu]

The Liverpool Mercury, May 27, 1875 is reporting a court case and under the Title ""The Rival 'Bus Companies Again" it refers to Edward Owens, outdoor suprintendant of the Liverpool Omnibus & Tramway Company....

Have sent a PM

regards

[Jean McGurn]

Looks like he rose in the Tramways company quite quickly.

In the 1871 census he says he is a Merchants Clerk and in the 1881 census he has put down that he's a General Clerk then finally in 1891 he puts down Tramway Superintendant.

When he died in 1897 he had risen to Traffic manager.

Jean