Non-conformist baptism look up please

[Marmaduke 123]

I can see a Nancy, John and William Mitchell in 1841 in Halifax, with some younger children. Unfortunately can't see them in 1851 at the moment. I'll keep on looking.

Anne

[Marmaduke 123]

In 1841 John Nancy and William are at Bull Close Lane Yard Halifax. HO107/1300/6/28/12

John Mitchell 40  engine tenter.
Nancy 40
William 17 (this fits with the baptism you found as he  wont have had his birthday yet)
Sarah 16
Alfred 14
Thomas 12
Edward 10
John 3
Rebecca 9mths

Unfortunately Nancy has died by 1851, so no place of birth.
John Mitchell is a 53 year old widower, engineer, lodging with John and Betty Summerscales in Charlestown Northowram. With him are the two youngest children John and Rebecca.
HO107/2302/59/48

There are 7 Nancy Mitchell deaths on FreeMBD between 1841 and 1851. No ages of course at that time.

[Holmemoss]

Anne, you are right. This is a different John Mitchell.

'My' John Mitchell's place of birth is given as Rastrick when he married Ann in 1824 and in the 1851 census. His age was given as 40 in the 1841 census (to the lowest 5 years) and 52 in the 1851 census. He died before the 1861 census but was aged 52 in 1851 so this gives his birth around 1799.

As he married Ann in 1824 as a widower then he must have married ca 1820 with his first wife passing away soon afterwards. The marriage to Nancy Flather fitted the bill but another lesson in how it is so, so, easy to put two and two together and get it wrong.

It does, of course, beg the question of whom 'my' John Mitchell married prior to his marriage to Ann Flather in 1824.

[DigleyMill]

I've had another look at this too, and although my head's a bit scrambled as a result (!) I agree that the family that Marmaduke has identified in 1841 probably IS Nancy Flather's. There are baptisms for Sarah (2/4/1826), Alfred (10/2/1828), and Thomas (28/3/1830), all at Halifax St John the Baptist, which all tie with the family in the 1841 census, and all give the parents as John and Nancy Mitchell of Northowram, occ. labourer.

At first I considered whether it could be another John and Nancy Mitchell, and there is a Halifax St John marriage 1820 for a John Mitchell in April 1820 to Nancy Bottomley, which might have fitted, but it gives them both as "of Sowerby", which tends to rule out a connection with the Northowram baptisms above.

However, I haven't been able to look at all potential marriages. I suggest it is still possible that the Nancy in 1841 might be a different individual, but the connection with Northowram in the baptisms seems to be a strong pointer that it would be her.

[Holmemoss]

John Mitchell was a widower when marrying Ann Flather in 1824. He was born ca 1799 so I have searched for all marriages of a John Mitchell at Halifax between 1819 and 1824 :

To Nancy Bottomley on 30 Apr 1820 - eliminated as DigleyMill found they were both 'of Sowerby'.

To Sarah Kendall on 4 Sep 1820

To Susannah Farrar on 31 Jan 1822

To Hannah Mitchell on 4 Nov 1822

To Nancy Flather on 26 Dec 1822 - eliminated as Anne found the family in 1841.

The IGI does not give the residence, of course, so that leaves us with three possible marriages.

There are no burials on the IGI for a Sarah or a Susannah Mitchell. There is the burial of a Hannah Mitchell at Halifax on 23 Apr 1823 but she is aged 49 and is, therefore, surely too old to be John's wife.

Can anyone look up the residences for these three remaining marriages? Says he with his fingers crossed!

[Marmaduke 123]

Sarah Kendall - John is a cordwainer

Susannah Farrar - of Midgeley. I can see them in 1851

Hannah Mitchell - of Ovenden

But, I think I can see your man!

John Mitchell married Hannah Dixon at Elland 27 Jun 1819. No further details unfortunately, but Elland would be the usual place for people from Rastrick to marry.

Burials at Rastrick:
Hannah Mitchell aged 23, wife of John, delver, 12/6/1824
Hannah Mitchell aged 2 mths daughter of John, delver, and the late Hannah, 12/8/1824.

I seem to remember your John Mitchell is a stone mason on census records with Ann.

Possibly other young children, very common to remarry very quickly in the circumstances.

Anne

[Holmemoss]

Anne, I think you have hit the nail on the head.

Joseph Mitchell baptised at Rastrick on 5 Sep 1819

Mary Mitchell baptised at Rastrick on 7 Mar 1822

Hannah Mitchell baptised at Rastrick on 18 Jul 1824

Parents John Mitchell and Hannah.

I have the CD for St Mary's, Elland but these baptisms are not given, although the burials of both Hannah the mother and Hannah the daughter are. I can see no burials for Joseph and Mary so the next question is what happened to them as they are not with John Mitchell and second wife Ann in the 1841 census.

[Marmaduke 123]

I don't think all the chapelry baptisms are on the Elland CD, although its very difficult to find out for sure! I suppose the children with Hannah would be old enough to have left home, or even have married by 1841.

I'll look around a bit more. it will be difficult to identify them on the census with such common names, but the marriage records (if they exist) might help.

Anne

[Holmemoss]

I have found two marriages of a Mary Mitchell at Elland; 14 Nov 1836 To Robert Whipp and 7 May 1837 to John Denham.

If Mary was born in 1820/1 but not baptised until 1822 then she is just about old enough for the second marriage. John Mitchell was one of the witnesses to the marriage to John Denham so it may indeed be the right one.