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Re: Kate Mary Sargent
« Reply #9 on: Monday 22 July 13 08:56 BST (UK) »
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Kate Mary Sargent
« Reply #10 on: Monday 22 July 13 10:12 BST (UK) »
The 3 daughters that I mentioned who are on the 1901 census are different to the ones that you have provided and I had found also. These are 3 additional  daughters , I think. They are 10 years older than the original set (Anne died 7 months, Cornelius 7 months, Ellen 1 month).
Older siblings James Matthew, Kate Mary and Mary (whose birth records I don't have ) came to Australia. Admiittedly I cannot find any deaths for Margaret(1869)  and Bridget(1865) BUT could they both be so wrong with ages? Oddly enough they are both different to the Margaret and Bridget  census by about the same 9 ish years!!!
Helena , I cannot find any Civil or familysearch record for. do you know if all records are digitised?

I am wondering what I could do next to try and clarify. Picking your brain!
Cowell, Hoener, Frazier, Christopher, Dyer, Cheshire

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Re: Kate Mary Sargent
« Reply #11 on: Monday 22 July 13 12:43 BST (UK) »
'Helena' will possibly be loisted as the more common form of Ellen. If the earlier births (from 1864 onwards) were registered then it's unlikely that the later ones would not have been registered.

In 1901 there is
Bridget age 25 (c1876) the one I found is 11 years older
Margaret age 23 (c1878) the one I found is 9 years older
Helena age 21 (c1880) the Ellen I found is 10 years older (but you say she died as an infant- are you sure that Ellen is the child of Michael and Anne? death certificates don't list parents usually although one of them may have registered the event)
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Re: Kate Mary Sargent
« Reply #12 on: Monday 22 July 13 14:19 BST (UK) »
I cannot be 100% sure of Ellen. I base it on the fact that there is an Ellen born ( Name Ellen Sargint Birth date: 08 Oct 1870 Birthplace: Cappoquin, Waterford (Sub District) Ref. : 817 Parent : Michael Sargint & Anne Tracy (Familysearch records) )

The death for Ellen in Waterford death registers :
Date of Death:    16 Oct 1870
Place of Death:    Mill St
Name: Sargint, Ellen, Sex: F, Age at Death:    1 Week, Rank: Carpenters Child, Condition: Child
Cause of Death: Convulsions
Informant: Tracy, Mary
Qualification:  Present at Death, Residence: Castle St

So the Ellen born with named parents Michael and Anne fits the name/age( 1 week) of the Ellen death in 1870. 

I averaged out the age variance for the girls in the 1901 census but yes you are right.
It seems a very big age difference , even for census records? I fully expected to find registrations But I can't find any civil records for the 1901 girls.

I cannot work this scenario at all. Even by the rest of my Irish family , this one is puzzling.
Cowell, Hoener, Frazier, Christopher, Dyer, Cheshire


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Re: Kate Mary Sargent
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 08 March 25 06:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Erin
Have you found the details for Bridget, Margaret and other siblings you were seeking?

I think I have seen your name on Ancestry as I was assembling my family tree 😊

Carmel

The 3 daughters that I mentioned who are on the 1901 census are different to the ones that you have provided and I had found also. These are 3 additional  daughters , I think. They are 10 years older than the original set (Anne died 7 months, Cornelius 7 months, Ellen 1 month).
Older siblings James Matthew, Kate Mary and Mary (whose birth records I don't have ) came to Australia. Admiittedly I cannot find any deaths for Margaret(1869)  and Bridget(1865) BUT could they both be so wrong with ages? Oddly enough they are both different to the Margaret and Bridget  census by about the same 9 ish years!!!
Helena , I cannot find any Civil or familysearch record for. do you know if all records are digitised?

I am wondering what I could do next to try and clarify. Picking your brain!
Sargent Maree McKenna Ahern O’Donaghue Tracey Musumeci Spina Fapani Ridofi 😊🦋

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Re: Kate Mary Sargent
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 08 March 25 08:18 GMT (UK) »


Erinsullivan was last online here at 3:28 this morning and will hopefully reply to your post.

Good luck!  :)

Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: Kate Mary Sargent
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 08 March 25 08:41 GMT (UK) »

Thank you very much, if that was her local time I’d better allow her to sleep in!  ;D
I’m in Aust, sun is just setting :)



Erinsullivan was last online here at 3:28 this morning and will hopefully reply to your post.

Good luck!  :)
Sargent Maree McKenna Ahern O’Donaghue Tracey Musumeci Spina Fapani Ridofi 😊🦋

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Re: Kate Mary Sargent
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 08 March 25 10:19 GMT (UK) »

...if that was her local time I’d better allow her to sleep in!  ;D


It's UK...Local Time : Saturday 08 March 25 10:15 GMT (UK)

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Re: Kate Mary Sargent
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 24 May 25 17:45 BST (UK) »

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The Michael in the 1901 census was a widower and died in 1902. There is an Ann who died in 1893 who also lived in Mill St and was a carpenters wife .  Anne was 10 years older than Michael .

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Michael aged 60 yrs - daughter Bridget the informant.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05701/4607624.pdf
Anne aged 62 yrs - again daughter Bridget the informant.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05983/4701618.pdf


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo