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Re: The Holyland thread!
« Reply #99 on: Thursday 09 September 21 21:35 BST (UK) »
I've noted the marriage of Andrew and Eleanor before; one or both was from Derby, I can't work out which, though I suspect it was Andrew, as they seem to be in Desford subsequently. So I suspect that Elinor was part of the Desford Holyland clan - though just where she fits in, I don't know, a I can't see a suitable baptism for her. Why do you think Eleanor was quite young?
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Re: The Holyland thread!
« Reply #100 on: Friday 10 September 21 09:21 BST (UK) »
I've noted the marriage of Andrew and Eleanor before; one or both was from Derby, I can't work out which, though I suspect it was Andrew, as they seem to be in Desford subsequently. So I suspect that Elinor was part of the Desford Holyland clan - though just where she fits in, I don't know, a I can't see a suitable baptism for her. Why do you think Eleanor was quite young?

The Ancestry tree where I found her marriage show her having been baptised in 1722, married in 1733.
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Re: The Holyland thread!
« Reply #101 on: Friday 10 September 21 09:37 BST (UK) »
The Eleanor shown on that tree is the only Eleanor (other spellings available!) That I've found too. But I wouldn't assume it was her just because of that.

I'll have a closer look at this later.
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Re: The Holyland thread!
« Reply #102 on: Friday 10 September 21 17:49 BST (UK) »
I've noted the marriage of Andrew and Eleanor before; one or both was from Derby, I can't work out which, though I suspect it was Andrew, as they seem to be in Desford subsequently. So I suspect that Elinor was part of the Desford Holyland clan - though just where she fits in, I don't know, a I can't see a suitable baptism for her. Why do you think Eleanor was quite young?

The Ancestry tree where I found her marriage show her having been baptised in 1722, married in 1733.

I think that tree has made some assumptions that I don't think are correct.

They show Elinor as the only daughter of John H and Ann (unknown); they have John b around 1695, son of Henry, and dying in Botcheston in 1785/86.

Elinor was baptised in Fenny Drayton in 1722, abode given as Bedworth. The only other Holyland event I have in Fenny Drayton is the marriage of Ann Holiland to William Argill of Wyken, the following year.

I've seen the grave of John who died in Botcheston and I am sure that he is the John Holyland who was b in Ratby in 1704. He married Catherine (no marriage record found) who is also buried at Botcheston and they had one son, John, b 1741. You can link the older John with the continuing line as he usefully listed his 10 Holyland grandchildren in his will :), and all those children were the offspring of his son John.

John's will doesn't mention any Halford grandchildren but does mention his "nephew" Joseph Halford, miller of Desford. Now John had a sister Catherine who married William Halford in Ratby in 1734, so I have assumed that Joseph is a descendant of that line. Maybe it would be useful to try to untangle the Desford Halfords?


Edited to add: William Halford and his wife Catherine had children in Hathern, including a son Joseph in 1750 - possible?
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Re: The Holyland thread!
« Reply #103 on: Saturday 13 November 21 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Stanford's an unusual name and I think there was only one in this timeframe (although there were 2 more in subsequent generations).

William Levis (who married Elizabeth, Stanford's daughter) was from Billesdon. Where did they go? I can't see subsequent burials for William and Elizabeth. There's a baptism of a daughter Elizabeth in Narborough, then possibly a son in Houghton on the Hill, then nothing. Is there any record of a death for Elizabeth? Did Elizabeth and William have a daughter Ann, who could have accidentally been described as a daughter rather than a granddaughter in Stanford's will?

I can't see any baptisms for an Ann Levis in an appropriate timeframe who could have been an illegitimate daughter of Stanford.

Jane (Stanford's widow) also left a will and mentioned children Thomas (living in Huncote), Mary (a spinster), Ann Bradshaw (Ann married John Bradshaw of Enderby in 1775) and Jane Jarvis (Jane married John Jarvis in Narborough in 1784). As stated above, Elizabeth Levis isn't mentioned. Is this because she wasn't Jane's daughter? Or because she was no longer alive? Or had simply fallen out with her stepmother?!

Elizabeth was provided for in her father's will but not in Jane's. If she did die in that intervening time period, it narrows it down to 1778 - 1785.

Those are some very good questions!

I've had no luck with any Ann Levis either, and Elizabeth was dead by 1785 if my guess is correct (see below).
Here goes what I've come up with in my research (and using a lot of imagination I guess):
- A William Levis was discharged on 26 Jul 1773 from the Royal Hospital in Chelsea. Aged 35 born in Leicester, he served 18 years and 6 months with the 1st foot guards. This very neatly fits with William Levis baptised 21 May 1774 in Houghton-on-the-Hill, and could explain the relatively long period of no child birth by his wife Elisabeth after their first child Elisabeth in 1761.
- A William (farmer, abode Fleet Fen, d. 1789) and Elizabeth Levis (d. 1782) are buried in Gedney Hill. This is quite some ways from Houghton-on-the-Hill (last sighting when son William was baptised in 1774), but fits my family lore that a William and Elizabeth came from Leicestershire to the Fenlands.
- And here is the link to my verified earliest ancestor: A William Leavis, gardener born around 1774, is buried in 1850 in the Elm parish. On the certificate of his second marriage in 1838 he lists his father as William Leavis, farmer.

Note that there is at least one more Billesdon Levis sightings in the Fenlands around this time period:
- An Amos Levis (transcribed 'Levice') aged about 63, sojourner, dies 1761 in Sutton St James (Spalding). Considering how unusual his first name is, I believe this is the Amos Levis baptised 1703 in Billesdon, whose daughter Hannah was baptised in Billesdon in 1751. Note that Sutton St James is only a stone's throw from the Fleet Fen where William the farmer lived for the last 7+ years of his life.

after some more research this theory appears to gain more traction:

I believe that Elisabeth Levis baptised 1761 re-appears in 1788 in Doddington, Cambridgeshire where she marries James Byfield (a couple of months before her presumed father William dies in Gedney Hill). She signs with 'Leavis'. Subsequently, James Byfield dies and Elizabeth re-marries a Joseph Groom(e)(s) in 1789. The births of both their children appear in a non-conformist birth registry maintained by Dr. Williams Library, Redcross Street, London, where Elizabeth's father is named a 'William Lavis'. She dies in 1843 in Purl's Bridge (Ely Union registration district) as 'Elizabeth Groomes' age 83.
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Re: The Holyland thread!
« Reply #104 on: Monday 29 November 21 06:03 GMT (UK) »
I think I have found the link between Ann & Jane Biggs (the two wives of Stanford Holyland).
The will of John Biggs of Huncote dated 1731 mentions a son, Thomas, and two daughters Ann and Jane.
There is further confirmation in the will of Thomas Biggs of Thurlaston, dated 1761, who has property in Huncote in the possession of Stanford Holyland.
It appears Ann and Jane were sisters and their parents were John Biggs and Elizabeth of Huncote.
I would really like to trace back further into the Biggs ancestry.
Any thoughts?



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Re: The Holyland thread!
« Reply #105 on: Wednesday 29 January 25 23:00 GMT (UK) »
Just going back over this Halford connection with Margaret Halford.

The use of Stanford is interesting and I believe it originates from the marriage of Zacheus Halford, Gentleman, and Elizabeth Stanford, 12 Nov 1640 Thurnby cum Bushby, Leicestershire. Elizabeth has two possible parentages, either she is the Elizabeth Stanford, bapt 1620 Barkby. Daughter of Thomas Stanford, Esquire, Lord of the Manor of Barkby Thorpe, and Anne Staveley, daughter of Thomas Staveley, Esquire, of West Langton. Lord of the Manor of Langton or a daughter of this Thomas's uncle Henry Stanford who was living in Slawston and died there in 1647. Elizabeth could be a daughter of this Henry (Henry, I believe is a name of her son) but I cant see a baptism for her. Henry is baptising until at least 1615 but I cant see an Elizabeth. The registers are missing a little in Slawston and can only see these for Henry -
Katherine 1604 'Katherine, daughter of Henry Stanford, Gent'.
Henry 1606 'Henry, son of Henry Standforde, Gent'.
George 1609 (Register is missing half the page but likely son of Henry)
Ann 1615 'Ann, daughter of Mr Henry Stanford'.
There is a burial in 1644 Slawston for a 'Robert Stanford, a young man, the son of Mr Henry Stanford'. Baptism I believe is Leicester 1619 'Robert, son of Henry Stanford'.

Elizabeth could possibly have been born in this gap of register 1609-1615. She and Zacheus do have a daughter called Katherine and a son* called Henry. I think these later Halfords descend from this marriage as the use of Stanford is quite telling. Stanford/Sanford Halford, bapt 1697 Slawston, son of Henry Halford and Anne. This is the Henry, I believe to be a son or perhaps even grandson of Zacheus Halford and Elizabeth Stanford. This Henry and Anne also have sons called Andrew and Zacheus.

This Stanford/Stamford/Sanford family is listed in the Heralds visitation of Leicestershire 1619 and also the pedigree is in Nichols Antiquities 'Stanford of Barkby Thorpe' alongside arms and crest. Thomas Stanford, Esquire, of Barkby, son of John Stanford, Gentleman, Recorder of Leicester, of Barkby, who died 1603 by his wife Elizabeth, daughter of William Bainbridge, Gentleman, of Lockington. John was older brother of Henry Stanford, of Slawston, both sons of John Stanford, Gentleman, of Barkby Thorpe, Mayor of Leicester 1592, died 1602, son of Thomas Stanford, of Leicester, 3rd son of Thomas Stanford (This Thomas is thought to be the Thomas Stanford/Stamford of Rowley. see Stirnet https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/ss4tz/stamford1.php.)

Not sure who Zacheus's parents are but I assume he is of the same family which originates from Clipston, Northamptonshire and broke into three lines (Which all rose to Gentry status) Halford of Wistow, Halford of Welham and Halford of Edith Weston. All descending from the same family as Edward Hawford, Doctor of Divinity, Master of Christ's College, Cambridge who died in 1582. Family name was originally Hawford/Hawlford/Haulford before becoming standardised Halford.
There is a 'Zacheus Halford, of Slawston' who marries Mary Hunt, as her 2nd husband, daughter of Edmond Hunt, Gentleman, of North Luffenham, Rutland. See the pedigree for the Hunt family in the visitation of Rutland 1681-82. https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00burg/page/n47/mode/2up?q=halford.
This marriage is recorded at Pilton, Rutland 'Zacheus Halford, of Slawston, Leicestershire and Mary Law, of North Luffenham, Widow, married 20th day of November, 1671'. Mary was married to Thomas Law/Lawe, who died 1668 North Luffenham.
Did Zacheus marry Mary after Elizabeth's death in 1670 or did Elizabeth and Zacheus have a son called Zacheus, who like Henry, the baptism has been lost?

This Zacheus Halford and Elizabeth Stanford baptise in Slawston, Leicestershire.
They have these children (of what baptism record I can see) -
Mary 1641
Andrew 1644 (I'm now wondering if this is the father of Margaret Halford who marries Thomas Holyland and not the Andrew of the Wistow line? Would make sense her naming a child 'Stanford Holyland' as this Halford family also uses this name Stanford as a first name in later generations)
Francis 1646
*Whilst there is no baptism, I believe a Henry Halford, of Slawston, who is buried 1728, is a son. He has a grandson via a son Henry (No baptism but naming custom fits being a son) called 'Stanford'.*
Ann 1649
Elizabeth 1649
Katherine 1651 - 1668
Margaret 1651

Wife Elizabeth buried 1670 Slawston. 'Mrs Elizabeth, the wife of Mr Zacheus Halford'. As was the case prior to the first half of the 19th century, the title of 'Mr' was only used for people of a certain standing. Mainly Wealthy Yeoman and Gentlemen.
Zacheus is buried 1683 Slawston. 'Zacheus Halford, an aged man'.

The lack of Stanford wills is making it slow to 100% confirm but I think its fairly likely. If anyone can find the will of Thomas of Barkby and Henry of Slawston. I've checked FindMyPast and NA and nothing seems to appear. Thomas I think dies intestate so there is no will for him.

There is another Stanford Halford, Senr (This could either be Senr or Gent) who marries in Liddington, Rutland in 1701, to Elizabeth Ireland, Widow. Most likely descending from the same above mentioned Zacheus and Elizabeth.


Richard Dudley of Cosby. Gent
George Bent of Cosby. Gent
William Black of Kilby. Gent
Bernard Cotton of Dadlington. Esq
Sir Thomas Halford of Wistow. Bt
Richard Swynfen of Sutton Cheney. Gent
John Cotes of Aylestone. Gent
John Freeston of East Norton. Gent
Sir John Bernard of Abington.
Edward Shuckburgh of Naseby. Esq
Richard Worsley of Deeping. Esq
Thomas Hobson of Glen. Gent
John Grant of Stretton Parva. Gent
John Miles of Heanley Hall. Gent
Thomas Dabridgecourt. Esq
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Re: The Holyland thread!
« Reply #106 on: Thursday 30 January 25 17:07 GMT (UK) »
Just a quickie, as I don't have the time right now to go into all my resources, but re this:

Andrew 1644 (I'm now wondering if this is the father of Margaret Halford who marries Thomas Holyland and not the Andrew of the Wistow line? Would make sense her naming a child 'Stanford Holyland' as this Halford family also uses this name Stanford as a first name in later generations)

I have a note on my Holyland spreadsheet re the marriage of Margaret Halford and Thomas Holliland in Newton Harcourt, 1 April 1712; "Thos b 1682, of Little Glen. Marriage also in Wistow reg??"

If that's the case it would obviously imply a family connection to Wistow, and that would have been on Margaret's side, not Thomas's.
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Re: The Holyland thread!
« Reply #107 on: Thursday 30 January 25 17:48 GMT (UK) »
The Wistow and Newton Harcourt churches are linked. Sometimes people are recorded in both at the same time. I have ancestors in Newton who marry and its recorded at Wistow and its also recorded in Newton. The Halford of Wistow pedigree given by Nichols does contain errors (as do a few others of his such as my other ancestors, the Cottons of Laughton and Dadlington).
I just think the name Stanford is a little too much of a coincidence.
Richard Dudley of Cosby. Gent
George Bent of Cosby. Gent
William Black of Kilby. Gent
Bernard Cotton of Dadlington. Esq
Sir Thomas Halford of Wistow. Bt
Richard Swynfen of Sutton Cheney. Gent
John Cotes of Aylestone. Gent
John Freeston of East Norton. Gent
Sir John Bernard of Abington.
Edward Shuckburgh of Naseby. Esq
Richard Worsley of Deeping. Esq
Thomas Hobson of Glen. Gent
John Grant of Stretton Parva. Gent
John Miles of Heanley Hall. Gent
Thomas Dabridgecourt. Esq
Fulke Button. Gent