HERD David - Farmer - Lincolnshire

[ironfloor]

Hello, First Timer::: I am struggling with my research n trying to locate a Robert William HERD. He was my GGrandfather, born in 1865 in Lincoln, apprentice Grocer in Lincoln in 1881, married Eliza Frood of Doncaster in 1887. In 1898/9 he had deserted Eliza and their four children leaving her in the work house in Sculcoates, Hull.

Robert Wm was the son of David and Caroline Herd (nee Brummitt) of Lincoln and he was the eldest son, but third of seven children including Alice Calvert Herd (HOLDEN), Gace Brummitt Herd (PEARSON), Annie Augusta Herd (SIMMISTER), Clara Gertude Herd  (AUSTIN), Thomas Herbert Herd and Jane Brummitt Herd (MARRIED LANCELOT CHEESEBOROUGH)

Thomas married an American citizen Agnes Maud, and later went to live in Fulton, Georgia. USA

Any help, connections, lines of enquiry...thanks in advance

[diddymiller]

hello. welcome to RC!

are you hoping to go further back with Robert or are looking to extend knowledge of the family first?

do you have for instance census info for Robert? is that what you mean by 'trying to locate'?  it helps to know what you have already so we don't duplicate unnecessarily.

ta,
Diddy

[diddymiller]

birth:

Births Mar 1865 
HERD  Robert William    Caistor  7a /609

Diddy

[diddymiller]

do you know for sure he deserted Eliza and didn't die?

Diddy

[diddymiller]

Marriage:

David Herd = Caroline Brummitt mar 1858 lincoln 7a /579

Diddy

[ironfloor]

HI and thanks for your contributions: This is what I have so far.
My confirmed facts are that Robert William HERD is my ggrandfather. His father is David Herd, married to Caroline Brummitt as you have discovered. Robert was one of seven children and I have done some work in tracing them through marriages and immigration etc.
My ggrandfather did desert my ggrandmother - according to the 1911 census when she wrote 'DESERTED' in the marital status column, which was then crossed out by the census officer to 'married' and stories from within the family sugest that he dissappeared rather than died.
I have my ggrandfather on census in 1871, son of David and Caroline aged 6 and living in Lincoln on St Giles Farm, his father denoted as a farmer of 112 acres. I have him in 1881, aged 16 as an apprentice grocer in Lincoln, then his marriage certificate to Eliza Frood, Doncaster in 1887. They had four children Reginald, Arthur, Caroline and Eliza. Robert and Eliza were living with Eliza's brother and family in Doncaster in 1891 at St Mary's Road, Wheatley.  After that in the 1901 and 1911 census he was absent.
I have a photograph showing Robert William Herd, his wife Eliza and the two boys Reginald and Arthur. I am guessing this is taken in Arthur's birth year 1899. It is taken outside of the home of Eliza's fathers house at No.17 Regents Square, Doncaster.

[diddymiller]

have found a possible in the 1901:

1901: leeds:
William Surfleet  51
Caroline Surfleet  49
Annie G Surfleet  17
Sydney Surfleet  15
Ernest H Surfleetn  14
Kathleen Surfleet  11
Dorothy Surfleet  9
Mabel Surfleet  6
Marie Surfleet  3
John J Tewik  27
John E Trumbull  23
William Hird  37  boarder unmarried  Grocers manager b.Lincoln

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4239; Folio: 64; Page: 12.

Diddy

[ironfloor]

Hello diddy, according to Find My Past, the info is as follows:
HIRD, William Boarder Married M 57 b.1844 Grocers Manager  Lincoln Lincolnshire - this make him too old. I will keep trying....
Thanks for your efforts

[diddymiller]

the info I gave was from A* so if yours is supposed to be the same then one is wrong...

i will have another look at the original on A*

Diddy