DINELEY/ BEATTIE Family Belfast

[Tracy Dineley]

Hi ! Any help greatfully recieved.
My Husband's family are the Dineley's of Severn Street and further back ParkGate areas of Belfast.
He is the grandson of Albert Ernest Dineley and Elizabeth Maud nee Beattie.
Any body know of them/ remember them?
We believe that the family traces back to a Josiah Dineley who married a Mary Williams and have possible links with Port Glasgow as their son, Andrew is married in Belfast but recorded as living in Port Glasgow on his marriage in 1873 to a Sarah Crouch nee Shaw.

Thanks in anticipation

Tracy
 

[aghadowey]

More details from your earlier posts with information supplied by others-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,421339.msg3736885.html

[kingskerswell]

Tracy,
       The father of Andrew Dineley who married Sarah Crouch is recorded as ISIAH.

Regards

[Tracy Dineley]

@kingskerswell,
                              Am updating after a recent visit to Belfast Records office.  On my husbands tree Andrew Thompson Dineley(snr) married twice:

1. to a Sarah Crouch nee Shaw. On the 1873 certificate for this marriage, grooms father is Isaiah Dineley, a clerk.
2. to a Margaret Jane McClelland nee Moore. On the 1899 marriage certificate, the grrom's father is Josiah Dineley, a book keeper.

This is as far back as we can go at the moment.  Any hlp suggestions greatfully appreciated.
Many thanks

Tracy

[WilliamBerry]

Hello

Here are a few pieces on your Dineleys.  The first Ernest was born in July 1908 and died aged three days.  As was the custom the name was reused when the second Ernest was born in February 1916.
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Hope this helps

All the best

[WilliamBerry]

Here is the Marriage Certificate for Andrew & Amelia

[BallyaltikilliganG]

You have done well with such help here and Neil elsewhere. I have tried to put together what you may already know but as it is not straightforward here goes as a first draft in two parts
1. JOSIAH DINELEY {the 1st}b 1821/23 d 1867  bur  Belfast  m MARY WILLIAMS appears to be a RootsIreland marriage checkit out carefully any other Dineley in this record check Marys death why did he move to Belfast and whereabouts   
Notes Neil above viz” IGI reference (Abt 1816) to the Josiah Dineley/Mary Williams marriage in 1840 in Clogher, Ulster Province; but since this is not referenced I wouldn't rely on it.” Clogher apparently extends over parts of Tyrone and Monaghan
residences  this has to be him
in 1852 from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1852streetsmtoz.htm
McMaster's Row off  Durham Street
8. Joseph Dinley, clerk  McMasters Row off  Durham Street.  5 little streets off Durham St drawn but not named see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jeanmccarthy36/1861_map_of_belfast.htm
in 1860 Josiah Dineley St. George's Ward Townparks [5] Raglan Street Shankill house and yard valued at £ 3 fifteen shillings  pa  see see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
but is this him or son1862  Josiah Dineley   Derryaghy Derryaghy Antrim  map ref 46AB Ab has house and small garden valued at £ 3 ten shillings  pa [ the top 5% locallly]  area off A1 nr junction just nw corner of Aberdelghy Golf Course has a David Duncan living nearby
listed on valuation continuation books see  https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/proni
Current PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/8/2A (1862 - 1865) hes listed
Current PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/8/2B (1866 - 1879) hes listed
Current PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/8/2C (1879 - 1889) not found
so if he died this could have been one of his houses he left the other to his son or?
children
1.1   . JOSIAH DINELEY  {THE 2ND}B 1841 M  1865 BELFAST ELLEN JANE DUNCAN B 1845 DAU OF William Duncan who may be this William Duncan, of Waring & Duncan, Mountain Mill. 2 THOMAS STREET run between Lancaster Street to Great George's Street see http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/tcomplete1861.htm
occupations:- clerk, book keeper on marriage certificates
residences
children
1.1.1. ELIZA DINELEY     b. 15 Oct 1865, BELFAST,ANTRIM
1.1.2. HERBERT DINELEY    b.26 Jan 1867, BELFAST,ANTRIM  see UHF
1.1.3  JOSIAH  DINELEY   [the 3rd }  b.20 Apr 1868, Ireland [did he marry} uhf entry says antrim/down } I decided 1.2.55. was the more likely marriage
1.1.4. AGNES  DINELEY     b.05 Nov 1869, Armagh, Ireland see UHF
1.1.5. WILLIAM DINELEY    b.16 Jul 1871, Ireland see UHF
1.1.6. ALFRED   DINELEY    b.24 APR 1873, Port Glasgow m 27 Apr 1898
.......Belfast Selina Spence{IG}
....children
....1.1,6.1. ALFRED DINELEY b14 July 1901
....1.1,6.1 UNKNOWN DINELEY b 09 June 1902

....1.1,6.1 ALFRED DINELEY b 15 Apr 1906
....1.1,6.1 HERBERT DINELEY on 24 February 1909
....1.1,6.1 GLYDAS DINELEY on 08 September 1912
....1.1,6.1  WALTER DINELEY on 15 December 1914

[BallyaltikilliganG]

part 2 of draft
1.2. ANDREW THOMPSON DINELEY {the 1st}b 25 Nov 1845 Castleshane Co Monaghan
notes Castleshane is about 4 miles west of Monaghan town. Williams in Co Monaghan known to be living in Ballybay about 6 miles south of Castleshane in 1861, and Clones in west Monaghan also earlier in the parishes of Donagh and Tehallan 1826-1832. Genes Reunited has a”Martin” treeholder with entry’Andrew Dineley b1845 County Monaghan’,
another gen sourcehttps://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/DINELEY
marriages?
{m1865 antrim see entry in www.irelandancestry.com  keep until excluded
JOSIAH DINELEY 1865 father JOSIAH  Antrim      Investigate further
m1 1873 Belfast SARAH CROUCH nee SHAW 
children
1.2.1.  FREDERICK WILLIAM DYNLEY b 22 Oct 1873 m 7 Jul 1900 Belfast EMILY KENNEDY{IG}
1.2.2.  ANDREW THOMPSON DINILEY  {the 2nd } Junior  b 18 Aug 1880 Ballycowan, Down, Ireland [note Ballycowan townland is in Drumbo civil parish includes village of Purdysburn] this Andrew  I think must be Andrew Dineley b~1881 ??  Belfast Baptist occupation 1911 Painter m 1902 Trinity Church Shankill Belfast AMELIA {MINNIE} GRAY b~1883 Dublin Church of Ireland dau of Adm and Elizabeth 17 convention Victoria Down {Belfast} both parents b Dublin see census 1901.
residences
25 Armitage Street (Victoria (part of), Down)
children
.....1.2.2.1.  ELIZABETH LIZZIE  DINELEY b12 Aug 1903 Church of Ireland Belfast
.....1.2.2.2.  SARAH DINELEY b 23 Jan 1905 Church of Ireland Belfast might be living with    ......grandparents in1911
......1.2.2.3.  MARGARET DINELEY b 27 April 1907 Belfast [IG}
......1.2.2.4.  ERNEST DINELEY  b 2 Jul 1908 d 5 Jul 1908 Belfast
......1.2.2.5.  HARRIET DINELEY b 10 Aug 1909 Church of Ireland Belfast
......1.2.2.6.  JANE DINELEY B 24 Jan 1912 [IG}
1.2.3.  ERNEST DINELEY b 1883 check mother
1.2.4.  SARAH   DINELEY b 1885
1.2.5.  JOSEPH DINELEY b 1887 m Belfast  31 Jan 1912 AGNES FERGUSON  [IG} Dundonald Cemetery grave B4 508 has Joseph/Josiah d 15 Dec 1959 and Agnes b 1891 d 10 Jun 1966
......children 
......1.2.5.1.  MARIA DINELEY b 10 April 1912 Belfast
......1.2.5.2.  JOSIAH DINELEY b 25 April 1915 Belfast
......1.2.5.3.  ANDREW DINELEY b 29 November 1913 Belfast
m2 1899-1900 MARGARET JANE MCCLELLAND nee MOORE. On the 1899 marriage certificate, the groom's father is Josiah Dineley, a book keeper. her daughter in law lived with them in 1901-11 Emily McClelland   census Emily   30 Step Daughter Church of IrelandBelfast Cotton Weaver Widow a Logan?
children  unlikely,  so children listed on census are principally Andrews from previous marriages and others
1.3   RACHEL DINELEY b ~before 1852, dau of JOSIAH JOSEPH{the 1st} looks like she was a partner of Samuel McCready >1866 and married him in Jul - Sep 1879
children
Jane Macready b 23 Apr 1866 Christening place 390, BELFAST, ANT, IRE
Samuel Josiah Macready b 23 Jul 1867 0360,BELFAST,ANTRIM
correct this as you wish good luck you have done well

[WilliamBerry]

Hello

Thanks for the info.  Josiah was living in Raglan Street, Belfast in 1860 and in 1862 he was living in Derriaghy.  I think he is buried in the Shankill Cemetery, Belfast but need to check.

All the best
Jim