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Re: look up request for john william sumpner
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 11:18 BST (UK) »
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But why would John W marriage cert say fathers name Branfoot?


see the 1871 census where John is the Stepson of said Mr B .....


ah, a quick edit there fellah!  :P

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Re: look up request for john william sumpner
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 11:29 BST (UK) »
where does the father of selina david fontes come into this
the only time that name appears in any records is the marriage entry
cattell,alcester
vickers,sulgrave
hewish,holborn
manley,bethnal green
barnes,bassingbourn

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Re: look up request for john william sumpner
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 11:48 BST (UK) »
Really bad transcript error????

P.s sorry mort about the edit

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Re: look up request for john william sumpner
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 11:58 BST (UK) »
wasnt complaining !  ;)

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Re: look up request for john william sumpner
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 11:59 BST (UK) »
Any ideas on where to go next with this family?



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Re: look up request for john william sumpner
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 12:34 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Mort29 on Tuesday 12 July 11 10:42 BST (UK)
1861 census of Headingley - RG9/Piece: 3354 Folio: 41 Page: 8 @ Cardigan Square
 
Thomas Sumpner 52 (Married) Head of Household, born Lancs - Preston: a Corn Miller
Ann E Sumpner 26 dau Yorks, Leeds
Thos Sumpner 20 son ditto : a Corn Miller
John W Sumpner 6 son ditto: a Scholar
Alfred Sumpner 3 son ditto



By 1871, mum has reappeared and seems to be married to a James Bramfit?

1871 census of Headingley with Burley - RG10/Piece: 4573 Folio: 36 Page: 16 @ Park Row
 
James Bramfit 40 Haed of Household born Yorks, Kirkstall: a Gardener Journeyman
Ann Elizh Bramfit 39 Wife born Leeds
John Wm Sumpner 15 Stepson born Leeds: a Boot & Shoe Maker
Alfred Sumpners 13 Stepson ditto: Gardener
Elizabeth Bramfit 6 dau Kirkstall
James Bramfit 5 son ditto
Mary Ann Bramfit 3 dau ditto
Martha Bramfit 1 dau ditto


Think there may be a mix up here as looking at the 1861 again it says ann eliz is thomas Daughter not wife????

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Re: look up request for john william sumpner
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 12:45 BST (UK) »
Yes, I transcribed 'dau', as that is what the original handwritten page says .... but now I look more closely, Ann E. is 26 - and only 39 with the same forenames in the 1871 when married to Mr B - so I wonder if it is the same person, and should in fact be wife back in 1861??

If she IS Thomas' daughter as stated in the 1861, then given the ages of John & Alfred, and their stepson status in 1871, she may well be thier mother anyway.....

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Re: look up request for john william sumpner
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 12:59 BST (UK) »
Thats what I was thinking and maybe the sons should be transcribed and grandsons??

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Re: look up request for john william sumpner
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 13:02 BST (UK) »
yes, would also explain no marriage of a Thos S I could see.

The census has many examples of incorrect relationships that become obvious when researched more fully  .... I guess there was an element of concealment of 'unsavoury' facts    :P
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