Eliza HAMPTON (born 1866)- death details

[majm]

Hi Paul,

Many of my forebears were in the Western Division of NSW for several generations, from around 1870's, some were still there post WWII.   eg Louth, Tilpa, Bourke, Cobar, and all through there up to the Qld border ...  some were drovers, shearers, skin tanners, miners, policemen, postmasters/mistresses, hotelkeepers etc ....

I have various offline resources that mainly feature those backblocks, but despite looking and looking, I have not spotted Eliza Jane.   I will find time over the next day or so to follow the Deignan surname up, as it would be a tad easier than SMITH ... 

Much of the Cobar info is found in the Bourke Historical Society's records.

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi there,

I think there would be a good chance that those MAY families were related somehow.   I cannot find where Robert MAY's 1904 birth was registered in any other surname, unlike his older sisters Nelly and Amy.    I think Robert could be a family name perhaps ....  There's so many different polling places in that 1903 electorate for The Darling. 

But here's some likely entries for Caroline's parents, or their forebears from Cobar from that 1903 roll

George MAY, a miner at Cobar
Robert MAY, a miner at Cobar
Robert MAY, a miner at NORTH Cobar
Sarah MAY, at her domestic duties at NORTH Cobar

I will have a good look tomorrow

Cheers,  JM

[north01]

Hi JM

The NSW BDM (30451/1897) lists Caroline May's parents as Robert and Sarah E. LIke you say, there seems to have been a myriad of Mays.

Regards

Paul

[majm]

Hi Paul,

In my offline resources, I can find lots of info about various Deignan families in Bourke and Cobar in the late 19thC, but still nothing on William MAY. 

But, just in case you don’t have this cutting, it is for Eliza Jane Hampton / May’s father and was in the Broken Hill newspaper ...
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/45169556 21 October 1911 Barrier Miner


Also, I wonder about the following death registered at Cobar in 1899 ....  William T MAY, only the mother’s given name is recorded online ... Elizabeth J .... Ref #1212

Also spotted this one from 1891 registered at Wilcannia ... William MAY, no given names for either parent #15779 ... My offline index shows this was an Inquest in Nov 1891, which found it was an accidental drowning he was around 30 years of age, and there was about £10.  The online image of the index of inquests etc shows he was aged 20, (not 30) and the Inquest was held at Wilcannia on 21 Nov 1891.  It does not state where the accident occurred, (probably/possibly along the Darling, which was rather ‘full’ as the newspapers have the river at 31 ft at Wilcannia in mid Oct 1891). 

Your Great Grandmother is so very elusive, so too is her son Robert ... do you know who he was named after ? .... It seems so unlikely he was named after Eliza Jane's husband ...

Cheers,  JM

[north01]

Hi JM

Thanks for finding that reference- would explain why Hamptons moved frequently around western NSW, being a mine manager.

Re William May, marriage certificate has him as being aged 21 at time of marriage in 1883 so I assume he was born around 1862- his parents and place of birth are not recorded. This would fit the time for the drowning person (if aged 30).

Regards

Paul

[majm]

Hi Paul,

Re missing info on 1883 m.c.  The NSW BDM online site shows that they have not ever completed the reconciliation process for many of those pre WWI marriages.  (Its another of my gripes re NSW BDM), BUT there is a way to find out the missing information...  I presume that the details about the bride and groom and their parents etc is blank...

The m.c. will have the denomination and the church....  so you have a couple of alternatives that spring to mind.   
a) contact that local parish
b) contact a family history group in that area

You would be seeking access to the local parish records*, which the clergy who celebrated that marriage would have kept.  In that registry the clergy would have listed the names of the parents for both the bride and groom, the occupations of their fathers, and perhaps even mentioned if any of them were already deceased.  He would have also noted the birth place and age of the bride and groom.  * or a transcript of these, perhaps already held by a fh group etc

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyofRegistrysRec.htm  scroll down a bit, find the section headed from 1879 keep reading and notice that they have not yet completed the reconciliation.   And then consider that could also mean that they has been no 'audit' to check if all the marriages in any church in the western division has ever checked to make sure ALL the registrations were received by NSW BDM  (I am quite positive that many were not !) ....

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi Paul,

As Eliza Jane was about 17 when she married William MAY, then that m.c. should also show who gave consent for her to marry ....  She was legally a minor (under 21). 
The clergy have always been required to obtain the age of the bride and groom, and also the express permission of a parent or guardian for a minor to marry, as well as the names of the parents of both the bride and groom, and all the other details too. 

Cheers,  JM

[geneaglutton]

Paul

May I jump belatedly in on the Deignan conversation?  I am distantly related to the Stewart Bannerman who married Ellen Louise Deignan in 1958 in Lithgow, NSW.  If I'm reading your post correctly, she was born Ellen Louise May and was first married to Bernard Patrick Deignan.  She was buried on 29 Jul 1987 in Lithgow Cemetery.  Is that right?

Thanks, Geneaglutton

[north01]

Hi Geneaglutton

Yes, that's correct. Ellen (Nelly) May (1899?-1987) married to Stewart (Blue) Bannerman and before that Bernard Deignan. She was a widow twice.

Paul