Eliza HAMPTON (born 1866)- death details

[north01]

Hi JM

Thanks for the tips and info again- it's very frustrating that there is no wildcard option available but I will experiment.

Regards

Paul

[majm]

Back to the 1903 Electoral Roll for the electoral of The Darling.
I will add to this post as I find any with surname HAMPTON or MAY or with given names Eliza or Eliza Jane (without any others with whatever surname for that lass ie looking for a lass possibly without same surname as her likely partner)

Cheers,  JM

Edit 1 Polling Place Cobar : (no street details on this copy of the roll)
Mary Josephine HAMPTON, at her domestic duties

Edit 2 ... as an aside, again found my great aunt and uncle in Cobar so I recall that after WWI they and many of their copper mining neighbours moved to the Granville/Auburn/Parramatta districts of Sydney ...

Edit 3 Polling Place Nymagee
Eliza ABBOTT at her domestic duties
Elizabeth Jane HAINES at her domestic duties

[majm]

Perhaps ... not at all sure though ...

Sands NSW Alphabetical Directory 1925

Mrs Eliza MAY, 51 Evans St ROZELLE

Edit 1 to add,  same entry in the 1920 directory
Edit 2 in the 1915 directory, Mrs Eliza MAY at 41 Evans St Rozelle

Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

Thanks for the tips and info again- it's very frustrating that there is no wildcard option available but I will experiment.PAUL



Hi Paul,
Many chatters would agree with you.  It has been the subject of some discussion in the forum.

If you would like to take a moment to let the Dept know how you feel, here is the link to the correct email address and form.
 
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/customerFeedbackForm.htm

Sue

[majm]

Hi Paul,

I agree with Sue and I have used that feedback form, and my older rellies have written "stern" letters to NSW BDM (and their local MPs) ...  I think the more people who express their disappointment over the removal of that wildcard option the better.  If they had stopped the 'sort the headings' option instead of removing that wildcard option, I am sure it would be so much less frustrating.

Cheers,  JM

[north01]

Hi Sue/ JM

Will send a request through to BDM on that link- I think from memory Vic still have wildcard search option.

Had a look for Mays/ Hamptons around Rozelle and also chnaging headings on BDM - nothing obvious yet!

Regards

Paul

[majm]

Hi there Paul,

Perhaps you have already tried the NSW SRO Archives Investigator’s option for Probate Packets at this link http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Search.aspx   
I chose the simple search option and entered “Eliza Jane death” for the keywords.   There’s a fair few results come up, but I have chosen one as an example to follow up.   I chose Eliza Jane Howard, date of death 9 April 1941 with probate granted 19 June 1941. (ie if that would be your elusive lass, then she would have been around 75 years of age)

1. Found the likely NSW BDM registration indexed on line.  Her mother was recorded as Eliza (although her father was recorded as Thomas and not as William).  It was registered at Mosman.  #9409

2.Found the newspaper cutting online http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home in the SMH 10 April 1941.  That lady was a widow, and a married daughter is named in the cutting.  I won’t mention the daughter’s name here because she may be living. The Funeral notice (same issue of the paper) shows the funeral at St Lukes at Mosman and interment at Randwick.  There would be other closer cemeteries to Mosman so it is likely that Mrs Howard’s wishes were for interment at Randwick.

3. If this were your elusive lass then I am sure you would be looking for headstone inscriptions and grabbing a plastic card to order a transcript of that d.c. ....

I chose that particular one to follow up because to me, the granting of probate within eight or nine weeks after death often indicates a small estate or an uncomplicated will, and afterall I am trying to help find your elusive Eliza Jane, perhaps you may be able to use that example to find either her, or perhaps other family members.

Edit to add Easter was 13 April in 1941, so there would have been several public holidays to observe and courts would have closed for those days, thus delaying any probates already in the system and possibly a backload so my thoughts re small or simple estate could be on track.

Cheers,  JM
 

[majm]

Hi there,

There’s obviously more than one family with the surname MAY out at Cobar in the first two decades of the 1900’s. Just look at the marriages of females with that surname. Perhaps they were part of an extended family grouping.

NSW BDM gives Nellie MAY (presuming her mother was Eliza Jane Hampton) as marrying a Barney P DEIGNAN in 1916 (#3703) and a Caroline E MAY as marrying a John E DEIGNAN that same year (#3709). Perhaps there’s a connection between Barney and John as their surname is somewhat unusual. Perhaps some one from those families may have information about Nelly's parents. 

In 1930, Bernard Patrick and Ellen DEIGNAN were at 87 Calero St Lithgow and John Edward and Caroline Ellen DEIGNAN were at 5 Selwyn St Lithgow.

At Ryerson Index it gives Nelly Louise DEIGNAN as “See BANNERMAN, Nelly Louise” and I think that lass would be Eliza Jane’s daughter.    The notice for Nelly is based on the Lithgow Mercury of 29 Jan 1987. 

The Lithgow Cemetery Index has Bernard Patrick DEIGNAN’s burial as 29 May 1956, Uniting section 2, row 1 plot 02 and Nelly Bannerman aged 87 burial 29 Jan 1987 same plot.    Perhaps there’s mention of either of her parents or siblings in the newspaper cutting or on any MI at the grave.

http://www.council.lithgow.com/cemetery.html  (downloadable index for the interments in Lithgow City Council’s boundaries up to 19 Nov 2009 at present)

Cheers,  JM

[north01]

Hi JM

Will go down the probate route too- might narrow it down that way.

With regards to Nellie or Ellen May, she was my great grandmother's sister. She was actually married and widowed twice to Barney Deignan and Stewart Bannerman. I have seen the John Deignan and Caroline May connection in BDM before too- it is too much of a coincidence- perhaps Caroline and  Nelly were cousins- I have yet to find definitive evidence, despite the fact that Caroline's parents are recorded in BDM, but like you suggest, someone in the extended family may know. Same goes for the Deignans.

Is it possible that this could have been a double wedding? (without ref to the wedding certificates themselves). The registration nos are very close together.

Have you had any dealings with Cobar Historical society before? I'm thinking they may have records, but in the mass exodus from Cobar to Sydney from 1918 onwards (including my great grandparents) I don't know what records would remain.

Thanks once again for all your assistance.

Regards
Paul