Eliza HAMPTON (born 1866)- death details

[majm]

Hi Paul,

Just wondering if any of the information we have all been posting is helping your research

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi,

Re Eliza J Hampton born 1866 Orange ... do you have that b.c. please?  I ask because the NSW BDM online index has her father's given name as HENRY while your post gives it as William Henry ... (ref # 12632 )

I am trying to locate the year and place of death of my great great grandmother, Eliza Hampton (married name May) who was born in Orange in 1866 (NSW BDM 12632/1866) Eliza was the daughter of William Henry Hampton (1835-1911) and Eliza Stevens (1840-1903).
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Any ideas on this would be greatly appreciated. 
Regards
Paul

[north01]

Thanks to everybody so far for the info and tips- I must say that this is the most elusive branch of the family on which to get info, so every little bit helps and is most appreciated.

I do have some of this already, but just to clarify some, firstly some of Eliza’s children, (Amy, Nelly and Robert) don’t have a father recorded on NSW BDM. I don’t know why- it may be possible that William May is not the father, as I have not been able to find out much about him either, neither birth nor death, only that he was a miner.

To my knowledge there were only 5 children- Alice (born 1893-died ?), Joseph (1896-1935) (will check the V series reference), Ellen/Nelly (1899-1987), Amy (1902-1989) (my great grandmother) and Robert (1904-died ?).  Some of this date info could be wrong. There is a reference to another  Alice May (born 1893) on BDM but I am not certain if this Alice May born at Sunny Corner is mine.

I would be very interested to confirm if there were more children.

Yes, the 1883 marriage between Eliza and William is them.

Yes, Amy and Charles Smith are my great grandparents, married Cobar 1920, Eliza uses the surname Hampton on the certificate and gave consent to the marriage, William May is recorded as being deceased- Eliza is recorded as living in Cobar on the certificate.

I have looked at the electorate rolls at the time too, and nothing jumps out there.

Yes, I was aware of the Hamptons at Sunny Corner Cemetery, but I also could not find Eliza there either. I don’t have Eliza’s birth certificate yet, but the wedding certificate says she was married at her father’s (WH Hampton) house- I have seen references to both Henry and William being used for her father’s first name.

Thanks again for all your assistance.

Regards
Paul

[jorose]

Joseph H. M. (1896), Amy (1902), and Nelly L (1899) are also registered under the name Hampton. By this stage William, I'd imagine, is well out of the picture.

As it's unlikely there was a 10 years gap between getting married in and first child in 1893, I would agree that the older children with father's name William are likely to be theirs; William probably either died or left sometime around the late 1880s or early 1890s.

You mention Joseph's dates as being 1896-1935, where did this death take place?
The only one I can find in NSW is for a Joseph Hampton (parents William Henry and Eliza). 
There is also a Joseph Henry May d. 1952 and his death notice says he was aged 56:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18284743?searchTerm=%22Joseph%20Henry%20May%22

[north01]

Hi Jo

Sorry, I got the year round the wrong way for Joseph- I thought it was 1953, so thanks for checking. Don't have dc for him, but I think it's likely.

Regards

Paul

[majm]

Hi Paul,

Re the Electoral Rolls ...
It was not compulsory to enrol until sometime in the 1920's, so perhaps Eliza chose not to enrol, BUT ... on the other hand, her 1866 birth registration gives her a middle name starting with "J" ... do you know what that name was?  Perhaps her death was registered under that name rather than Eliza (and its usual variants) ...

Cheers,

JM

[north01]

Hi JM

Her middle name was Jane- just checked on NSW BDM for a Jane Hampton or May and nothing obvious came up. Thanks for the idea- will check the electoaral rolls too.

Regards

Paul

[majm]

Hi there,

Thanks for "Jane" ... here's hoping it helps 

You mention five children for Eliza ....  Perhaps there were more :
1884 Eliza H MAY birth registered Nymagee with William and Eliza recorded as parents # 18957
1889 Joseph H MAY birth registered Nymagee with William and Eliza recorded as parents # The “V” record
1893 Alice M M MAY birth registered Bourke, with only Eliza recorded as a parent # 7676
1896 Joseph H M HAMPTON birth registered Cobar with only Eliza M recorded as a parent #11785
1899 Nelly L HAMPTON/MAY birth registered Cobar with only Eliza J recorded as a parent #20149
1902 Amy HAMPTON/MAY birth registered Cobar with only Eliza recorded as a parent # 2272
1904 Robert MAY birth registered Cobar with only Eliza recorded as a parent # 2318

A transcript of Robert’s birth registration should include the names of his older siblings and also the then current address. 

As I understand it, the rural/regional registrations were meant to be submitted by the deputy registrars by ordinary mail to Sydney on a quarterly basis, BUT sometimes those deputy registrars were very busy on their main duties (usually attached to the court house/police station etc, Sherrif/baliff duties).   

Also, the Sydney HO was under funded and quite often the returns were received annually or not received at all. So while it seems out of chronological order, it is possible that the birth for Alice MM  on the index as 1893 and the death of Alice 1892 is for the same child, but you would need transcripts to verify that suggestion.

The two consecutive numbers that Sue mentioned earlier may not be for two deaths that occurred at the same time, but simply be for two deaths in the same year, or two deaths indexed by NSW BDM’s HO at the same time. 

However, because the wildcard option “ * “ is not currently available at the NSW BDM online index, I have not been able to determine if the registration numbers for all of that BDM district of Nyngan were indexed quarterly or annually.    I hope that my ‘brief’ explanation of that admin process makes sense.   

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi there,

Perhaps you already know the following tip, but just in case ...  NSW BDM online index headings can be sorted by clicking on the headings themselves.   For example, I have just entered the following into a death search: given name "Jane" and fathers name "aged" and date range 1920 - 1970 ... and then clicked on the fathers name for the primary sort. Alternatively if you enter "died" under the mothers name without entering anything for the fathers name you get a different set of results.  While nothing obvious re Eliza Jane jumps out at me, perhaps she's there and a surname may ring bells for you.

EDIT TO ADD "unknown" is also a good keyword to try for given names of parents

Cheers,  JM