William Bryden

[emarbe]

I am trying to find more information on the father of William Bryden, born 1839 in Johnstone Parish (William was my gt gt grandfather).
I've attached a copy of the birth record and on the 1841 census William is shown as Bryden, living with his mother's parents. I was hoping to find a reference to this misdemeanor (the parents weren't married) in the Kirk Sessions but have had no luck.
On William's marriage certificate in 1865 he shows his father as John Bryden - Ironmonger, but I can't find anything on Scotland or England census's to trace him.
I had a massive amount of help originally from MonicaL in tracing the birth, but after that, just a brick wall.
I don't need any help regarding the mother as I've managed to complete her side of the family.
Can anybody help please.

Mike

[Gadget]

Hi 

I'm a bit confused as I see L.S at the beginning of the entry. This usually means lawful son . Are you sure that Jane and John were unmarried 

gnu

Added - just looked at a few pages of the Johnstone birth entries and most of them have either L S or L D before the parents names. This does suggest that John and Jane were married

[emarbe]

Hi gnu

Thank you for your interest.
I appreciate your comments, but I can find no marriage, also the same thing happened again in 1844 with Jane Dinwoodie & William Jamieson who had a daughter, although it does say "natural daughter" rather than LS, again I can find no marriage.

Mike

[Gadget]

Hi again

I've been going through your previous postings on William - you've been searching for a long while!

At the moment I can't find anything more than you and others have found except a possible for a John Bryden on the 1841 - not sure but worth following up:

Barton on Irwell HO107/542/3/36/17

John Bryden, 25. blacksmith, b. Scotland

Thinking of the link between blacksmithing and ironmongering and Barton on Irwell is not all that far from Liverpool.

(Added - just seen that this was found on one of your earlier threads)

Also, re marriages - a lot of Scottish marriages are unrecorded for various reasons (common law; non- C of S marriage, missing records, etc.)  Trish, who was once a member of RC, estimated that only about 30% of marriages were recorded in the OPRs.


gnu

[Gadget]

Just so that anyone trying to help  can see what's already been covered:

Oct 2006        http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,187618.0.html
Oct 2006        http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,193202.0.html
Jan 2007        http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,208803.0.html
Jan 2007        http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,208466.0.html
Aug 2007       http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,247669.0.html


As far as I can see, the  most likely John seems to be the 1818 one, son of William Bryden and Grizel Thornburn.

Nothing else coming up on the censuses so far 


gnu

[emarbe]

Hi gnu

I quite agree that the William & Grizel as parents seem the most likely, the most frustrating thing is that I can't find anything to possitively identify John, it's very easy to guess!.

Mike

[Maggie1895]

   , the most frustrating thing is that I can't find anything to possitively identify John, it's very easy to guess!.   Mike   

Mike, total sympathy.   One of my major brick walls is a Brydon / Bryden in Johnstonebridge - Mary, wife of Robert Paterson and born sometime around 1757.   I can find nothing in Johnstonebridge to identify her apart from her marriage, even though it is by no means an uncommon name in the area.

Not sure where you live but I know there are Bryden/Brydon graves in Johnstonebridge churchyard from around that time - too recent for my search, but possible for you?   I'm not aware that they are collated anywhere for searching so it's a case of wandering around reading them.    I don't live in SW Scotland but do pass there and spend time in the churchyard every so often - I'll try and note some of the Bryden details for you next time I'm there.

I'm bookmarking this thread so f I ever find anything that might help you I'll send it straight over: grateful if you would do the same if you ever break through your brickwall.     Sorry this isn't more help, but like everyone else we can only keep slogging away.

p.s. saw your reply Mike, and next time I'm there I certainly will look, but it may be some months. 

[emarbe]

Maggie1895

Nice to hear from someone else searching for Brydens.
Thank you very much for your offer of looking at the churchyard, anything will be most welcome as this is one part of the family I just can't seem to break. I am assuming that John was probably a similar age to Jane (1819) , and more than likely from the same area, but that's all I can do is assume.

I will certainly bookmark this thread and keep you posted IF I manage to find something.

Many thanks

Mike

[Gadget]

Hi Both

I've reviewed all the info that's been put up on all the threads that I've linked to.    The latest info is that William might have been born in Moffat but nothing there.

I'm not sure that there is any proof that the one that Mike has found is correct. I'm not convincecd by the evidence (sorry Mike!). Reading the previous threads, they have all concluded the same.

We all have these problems. I've been trying to link up my own ancestors in this area for 8 years and have so far found  nothing that isd real proof.


gnu